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The preworkout thread
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Sorry I missed this. What time do you go to bed? Preworkouts containing stimulants may not be on the menu for you. Most stay in the system for awhile. You could try something with less caffeine in but it still may cause an issue. As a result I would recommend something with no stimulants and just add a shot or 2 of espresso. Huperzine A would be worthwhile stacking with something like 5%'s Full as Fuck (and 1 espresso or caffeine pill if needed). That will give you incredible pumps with good focus but won't keep you awake.
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I have been experimenting with my old products and things have been good. Although I have used up most of my fav products so I am left with ones I don't rate super high. As a result I am little bored and feel like I need to pick up a couple of new ones for a good boost. Tonight I used the last of my hyphy mud 2.0 which is a great product. My favs from what I have left are probably EA's Rage and Nutrex's Outlift Amped.
The other day I gave mesomorph another go and was disappointed again. I even tried 1.5 scoops but don't feel it in a good way. It makes me feel a bit off. HYDE is another product that gets rated very highly but doesn't suit me either. I feel better on it than Mesomorph but again just a bit off. I also used 1.5 scoops of that the other day and didn't get much from it. I will probably give them both away.
1.5 scoops of Rage or Outlift Amped and I am gtg. I can the same with lower doses but been using more recently. EA Rage is great for focus and clean energy. Although at 1.5 scoops and on the tram to the gym I felt a bit out of it but once I got to the gym I was gtg. It's a shame my Musclemeds NO BULL has hardened up so much. It's impossible to use. I could put it in a blender but I find they are never the same again. Although 2moro I will actually do the blender thing and see how it goes as it is a great product.
I noticed they have changed the Rage formula and it looks great. But I can't be bothered ordering just 1 product from the site due to the possibility of getting ripepd off with customs tax. It can be backwards here and they charge me approx $50 for anything so I would rather order stuff somewhere were I am getting other products as well so I don't mind getting charged tax. Incidentally here is the ingredient profile:
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine hydrochloride)100mg 5882%
Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin) 200mcg 8333%
Magnesium (as magnesium citrate)19mg 5%
Sodium (as sodium chloride) 234 mg 10%
Potassium (as potassium citrate)107 mg 100% 2%
L-Citrulline 5,000 mg **
L-Taurine 1,500 mg **
Glycerol Powder (standerdized to 65% Glycerol)(GlycerPump™) 1,500mg**
Caffeine Anhydrous 225 mg**
L-Theanine 200 mg**
2-Aminoisoheptane 120mg**
DMAE DL-Bitartrate (Dimethylethanolamine DL-Bitartrate) 100 mg**
Hordenine Hydrochloride 60mg**
N-Methyl Tyramine Hydrochloride 50mg**
Black Pepper Fruit Extract (BioPerine®) 10mg**
Boron (as Boron Glycinate Complex (Bororganic Glycine) 5mg**
Any recommendations of new products that have not been mentioned on here before?
The other day I gave mesomorph another go and was disappointed again. I even tried 1.5 scoops but don't feel it in a good way. It makes me feel a bit off. HYDE is another product that gets rated very highly but doesn't suit me either. I feel better on it than Mesomorph but again just a bit off. I also used 1.5 scoops of that the other day and didn't get much from it. I will probably give them both away.
1.5 scoops of Rage or Outlift Amped and I am gtg. I can the same with lower doses but been using more recently. EA Rage is great for focus and clean energy. Although at 1.5 scoops and on the tram to the gym I felt a bit out of it but once I got to the gym I was gtg. It's a shame my Musclemeds NO BULL has hardened up so much. It's impossible to use. I could put it in a blender but I find they are never the same again. Although 2moro I will actually do the blender thing and see how it goes as it is a great product.
I noticed they have changed the Rage formula and it looks great. But I can't be bothered ordering just 1 product from the site due to the possibility of getting ripepd off with customs tax. It can be backwards here and they charge me approx $50 for anything so I would rather order stuff somewhere were I am getting other products as well so I don't mind getting charged tax. Incidentally here is the ingredient profile:
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine hydrochloride)100mg 5882%
Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin) 200mcg 8333%
Magnesium (as magnesium citrate)19mg 5%
Sodium (as sodium chloride) 234 mg 10%
Potassium (as potassium citrate)107 mg 100% 2%
L-Citrulline 5,000 mg **
L-Taurine 1,500 mg **
Glycerol Powder (standerdized to 65% Glycerol)(GlycerPump™) 1,500mg**
Caffeine Anhydrous 225 mg**
L-Theanine 200 mg**
2-Aminoisoheptane 120mg**
DMAE DL-Bitartrate (Dimethylethanolamine DL-Bitartrate) 100 mg**
Hordenine Hydrochloride 60mg**
N-Methyl Tyramine Hydrochloride 50mg**
Black Pepper Fruit Extract (BioPerine®) 10mg**
Boron (as Boron Glycinate Complex (Bororganic Glycine) 5mg**
Any recommendations of new products that have not been mentioned on here before?
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I'm sensitive to stimulants. Most of my Preworkout stuff consists of "pump / vasodilator" products.
I typically buy in bulk and mix my own as it's cheaper!
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What are you using now pre workout? I used to experiment and come up with some crazy pump protocols but they are not needed. As you know as little as 10mg tadalafil and 4g citrulline (or 7g cm) could do wonders for pumps. Synthelator has given me the craziest pumps and vascularity out of 1 product though. Even 2ml synthelator can be crazy for pumps. Add in some slin, tadalafil, adrol, carbs, water etc and it can get too much.
Have you ever tried 5%'s Full as Fuck?
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I have ordered a few products and should have them soon. 2 (1 is a sample) very well rated products but I doubt most (or even anyone) have heard of them on here. I hadn't heard of either and was just scanning a UK site and came across them. I will post about them when I receive. The other product I bought is one I have used before but I really like it so figured try it again. It's 5%'s 5150 and I ordered passion fruit flavour. It gets mixed reviews but it felt great to me so I was happy to get it again. I don't know how the other 2 will be but I know that is good so I will have something good to fall back on. I am having a clean out and throwing most of my tubs away as many have hardened up. I also gave Mesomorph away to a friend as I didn't like it.
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I received my pre workouts. I decided to just get a trial of one as it was £60 to buy and after all the other stuff I had ordered I figured go easy. It's just capsules and is an energy product and get rated very highly. It's called Hydrazine and contains:
Hydrapharm Hydrazine 60 capsules
Serving size: 1 capsule
Servings per container: 60
Amount Per Serving %DV**
Hydrazine blend 700mg *
Bauhinia Purpurea Extract (leaf and pod), Cacao Extract (fruit), Caffeine Anhydrous, Cymbidium Goeringii Extract (whole plant), Kigelia Africana Extract (fruit).
The second product I have is more of the same but a powdered product and is called Excelsior by Imperial Nutrition. This wasn't cheap either at £44. The ingredient list is nothing special but it gest rated very highly and it's meant to be very strong so I figured why not
Imperial Nutrition Excelsior 30 Servings Fruit Cooler
Serving Size: 1 scoop (6g)
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving %DV*
Propietary Blend 5.3g *
L-Citrulline
Trimethylglycine
Kigelia Africana Extract (fruit)
Caffeine Anhydrous
Bauhinia Purpurea
Bitter Orange Extract (fruit)
Octopamine
Hawthorne Extract (fruit)
* Daily Value Not Established
Other Ingredients: Malic acid, Sucralose, Citric Acid, Natural & Artificial flavours, Silica, FD&C Red #40.
Directions For Use
Take 1-2 scoops before working out.
I also ordered 5150 which I know is great and that contains:
5% Nutrition 5150 375g Passion Fruit
Serving Size:12.5g
Servings Per Container: 30 Servings
Amount Per Serving %DV**
Vitamin B3 (as niacin) 30 mg 150%
Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin) 1,000 mcg 16667%
L-Citrulline 4,000 mg **
Beta Alanine (CarnoSyn) 2,500 mg **
L-Taurine 2,000 mg **
N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine 750 mg **
Choline Bitartrate 500 mg **
STIM-CRAZY CAFFEINE COMPLEX 470 mg **
Caffeine Anhydrous, Dicaffeine Malate, Caffeine (from Green Tea (Leaf)), Yerba Mate Extract (Leaf), Guarana Extract 22% (Seed), Green Coffee Bean Extract (seed) %
**Daily Values Not Established
Ingredients: Natural Flavours, Citric Acid, Sucralose, Silicone Dioxide & Red #40
Hydrapharm Hydrazine 60 capsules
Serving size: 1 capsule
Servings per container: 60
Amount Per Serving %DV**
Hydrazine blend 700mg *
Bauhinia Purpurea Extract (leaf and pod), Cacao Extract (fruit), Caffeine Anhydrous, Cymbidium Goeringii Extract (whole plant), Kigelia Africana Extract (fruit).
The second product I have is more of the same but a powdered product and is called Excelsior by Imperial Nutrition. This wasn't cheap either at £44. The ingredient list is nothing special but it gest rated very highly and it's meant to be very strong so I figured why not
Imperial Nutrition Excelsior 30 Servings Fruit Cooler
Serving Size: 1 scoop (6g)
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving %DV*
Propietary Blend 5.3g *
L-Citrulline
Trimethylglycine
Kigelia Africana Extract (fruit)
Caffeine Anhydrous
Bauhinia Purpurea
Bitter Orange Extract (fruit)
Octopamine
Hawthorne Extract (fruit)
* Daily Value Not Established
Other Ingredients: Malic acid, Sucralose, Citric Acid, Natural & Artificial flavours, Silica, FD&C Red #40.
Directions For Use
Take 1-2 scoops before working out.
I also ordered 5150 which I know is great and that contains:
5% Nutrition 5150 375g Passion Fruit
Serving Size:12.5g
Servings Per Container: 30 Servings
Amount Per Serving %DV**
Vitamin B3 (as niacin) 30 mg 150%
Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin) 1,000 mcg 16667%
L-Citrulline 4,000 mg **
Beta Alanine (CarnoSyn) 2,500 mg **
L-Taurine 2,000 mg **
N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine 750 mg **
Choline Bitartrate 500 mg **
STIM-CRAZY CAFFEINE COMPLEX 470 mg **
Caffeine Anhydrous, Dicaffeine Malate, Caffeine (from Green Tea (Leaf)), Yerba Mate Extract (Leaf), Guarana Extract 22% (Seed), Green Coffee Bean Extract (seed) %
**Daily Values Not Established
Ingredients: Natural Flavours, Citric Acid, Sucralose, Silicone Dioxide & Red #40
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I had a 2 serving sample (2 caps) of hydrazine. It states one serving is 1 cap. When I read the reviews everyone was stating they took 1 cap and how strong it was. However I read a couple that had used 2 caps. The fact it is a proprietary blend made it hard to know how many to take. If I had a full tub I would have just took 1. Then I watch a review on you-tube and he says he needed 2 caps so I went with that as I didn't want to waste it and get the best effect without taking too much. They all state it takes approx 30 mins to kick in and it's very steady and long lasting and the word smooth is used a lot. The common theme in all the reviews is the intense focus the product brings.
I take 2 caps and walk to the gym and on the way it hits me much faster than stated in other reviews. This was the most intense focus I have felt in a very long time. It was crazy so I couldn't help but think wow I could be on to something here. I get to the gym and it's great then over time everything simply faded and that's it. I was very disappointed. It's still very good and I am sure many will love it but after such an intense start it was a big disappointment. Definitely not worth the high price especially if you only get 30 servings from the tub. Well people buy energy drinks for more so maybe it is but definitely a disappoinment for me as I expected more. I would still give 2 caps a 7.5-8/10.
Now onto the Excelsior. It states 1-2 scoops so I went with 2 scoops as I have used some strong products recently. So far this is incredible but I have only used it once. I was already so worked up for the gym I need to use it more to fully gauge it's effectiveness. But so far it's great and I had the most amazing training session. Although I did start feeling ill mid session but I don't know if thats due to the product or the simple fact I destroyed myself in the gym. I will know more once I use it a few more times. So far an easy 9/10.
I take 2 caps and walk to the gym and on the way it hits me much faster than stated in other reviews. This was the most intense focus I have felt in a very long time. It was crazy so I couldn't help but think wow I could be on to something here. I get to the gym and it's great then over time everything simply faded and that's it. I was very disappointed. It's still very good and I am sure many will love it but after such an intense start it was a big disappointment. Definitely not worth the high price especially if you only get 30 servings from the tub. Well people buy energy drinks for more so maybe it is but definitely a disappoinment for me as I expected more. I would still give 2 caps a 7.5-8/10.
Now onto the Excelsior. It states 1-2 scoops so I went with 2 scoops as I have used some strong products recently. So far this is incredible but I have only used it once. I was already so worked up for the gym I need to use it more to fully gauge it's effectiveness. But so far it's great and I had the most amazing training session. Although I did start feeling ill mid session but I don't know if thats due to the product or the simple fact I destroyed myself in the gym. I will know more once I use it a few more times. So far an easy 9/10.
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Excelsior is great but it's unlike any I have used. The energy stays with me for so long. I gave it to my mate (2 scoops) who is a stimulant junkie and he took it at 11am and he said he couldn't sleep until past 2am. I have been doing nights recently and made the mistake of using it at 10pm (2 scoops). I was literally wide awake at 8am thinking shall I just stay up now Don't let me put you off though. It's a great product just make sure you dose it fairly early on. It states 1-2 scoops on the back and I have used 2 scoops a few times. But I find 1.5 scoops feels very similar so 2 aren't really needed. In fact for most 1 scoop would be plenty.
I would probably give it an 8.5 or 9 out of 10. I have had some amazing/crazy workouts on it. As I mentioned earlier it also makes me feel very happy which is rare and one of the reasons I stated it's very different to other products. In fact due to that effect I would give it a 9/10. On closer inspection of the ingredients it contains something fairly rare in preworkouts called octopamine. This is a highly potent TAAR agonist like phenethylamine and it's know for causing increased empathy and euphoria. One of the main mechanisms it does this by is it's effects on norepinephrine.
Excelsior also contains Bauhinia Purpurea and Hawhorne Extract. Both of these ingredients have been shown to possibly increase euphoria so they could be adding to the overall effect.
My 5150 feels different to the last tub. In the past I never thought powders would degrade so much but since using all these pre workouts I know for a fact it happens. Some of my older products were the powder starts going hard and in clumps never feel as strong. 5150 is still good though. I want to try 5%'s new product called Kill It Reloaded.
Tonight I dosed 2 scoops of NO BULL by Musclemeds. The powder has started going bad but 2 scoops is ok for me. My workout was fantastic even if I had to stay on machines due to my lower back. I still pushed it super hard. It's been a few hours and I am still wired so 2 scoops was probably a bit too much.
Don't let me put you off though. It's a great product just make sure you dose it fairly early on. It states 1-2 scoops on the back and I have used 2 scoops a few times. But I find 1.5 scoops feels very similar so 2 aren't really needed. In fact for most 1 scoop would be plenty. I would probably give it an 8.5 or 9 out of 10. I have had some amazing/crazy workouts on it. As I mentioned earlier it also makes me feel very happy which is rare and one of the reasons I stated it's very different to other products. In fact due to that effect I would give it a 9/10. On closer inspection of the ingredients it contains something fairly rare in preworkouts called octopamine. This is a highly potent TAAR agonist like phenethylamine and it's know for causing increased empathy and euphoria. One of the main mechanisms it does this by is it's effects on norepinephrine.
Excelsior also contains Bauhinia Purpurea and Hawhorne Extract. Both of these ingredients have been shown to possibly increase euphoria so they could be adding to the overall effect.
My 5150 feels different to the last tub. In the past I never thought powders would degrade so much but since using all these pre workouts I know for a fact it happens. Some of my older products were the powder starts going hard and in clumps never feel as strong. 5150 is still good though. I want to try 5%'s new product called Kill It Reloaded.
Tonight I dosed 2 scoops of NO BULL by Musclemeds. The powder has started going bad but 2 scoops is ok for me. My workout was fantastic even if I had to stay on machines due to my lower back. I still pushed it super hard. It's been a few hours and I am still wired so 2 scoops was probably a bit too much.
So my preworkout has been this for a while and it’s been real good to me.
10g cittruline malate
12.5mg ephedrine
200mg caffeine
1mg nicotine (gum)
Intra it’s 50g HBCD with 20g EAA
I don’t always use ephedrine but always use the caffeine and nicotine.
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10g cittruline malate
12.5mg ephedrine
200mg caffeine
1mg nicotine (gum)
Intra it’s 50g HBCD with 20g EAA
I don’t always use ephedrine but always use the caffeine and nicotine.
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Simple but effective. I love cm myself. I have never tried nicotine gum but hear it is very useful especially when dieting.
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Nicotine has stimulant properties. Many get a boost of energy and added focus from it.
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I have been meaning to update this thread for ages I have forgotten a lot of the details I was going to post I will add more to this post over the next few days. I need to post a revised list as well. I bought Nutrabio's PRE, SAN's Fierce Domination and Dymatize's Pre w.o.
Nutrabio's PRE is a great product full of useful ingredients at effective doses. I need to use it a few more times but I am thinking 8.5/10. It's what I call a complete pre workout but it just misses that wow factor.
SAN's Fierce Domination is another good one. Nice energy and feel and good pumps. I use 2 scoops of that. I am thinking 8/10 but I also need to use that a few more times as I have only used it once in the last 3 weeks.
Dymatize's Pre w.o. I used awhile back and it felt ok. I used it again the other day and I felt awful from it. My gf even tried it and felt exactly the same. I will try it again but it's gonna be a low score even though on paper it looks good. I would probably say a 5/10 but I will try it again to access it better.
I have also just ordered 2 new products and should get them on Monday so I will post more on that next week. Has anyone tried any good new pre workouts recently?
I have forgotten a lot of the details I was going to post I will add more to this post over the next few days. I need to post a revised list as well. I bought Nutrabio's PRE, SAN's Fierce Domination and Dymatize's Pre w.o.Nutrabio's PRE is a great product full of useful ingredients at effective doses. I need to use it a few more times but I am thinking 8.5/10. It's what I call a complete pre workout but it just misses that wow factor.
SAN's Fierce Domination is another good one. Nice energy and feel and good pumps. I use 2 scoops of that. I am thinking 8/10 but I also need to use that a few more times as I have only used it once in the last 3 weeks.
Dymatize's Pre w.o. I used awhile back and it felt ok. I used it again the other day and I felt awful from it. My gf even tried it and felt exactly the same. I will try it again but it's gonna be a low score even though on paper it looks good. I would probably say a 5/10 but I will try it again to access it better.
I have also just ordered 2 new products and should get them on Monday so I will post more on that next week. Has anyone tried any good new pre workouts recently?
I have been meaning to update this thread for ages
Nutrabio's PRE is a great product full of useful ingredients at effective doses. I need to use it a few more times but I am thinking 8.5/10. It's what I call a complete pre workout but it just misses that wow factor.
SAN's Fierce Domination is another good one. Nice energy and feel and good pumps. I use 2 scoops of that. I am thinking 8/10 but I also need to use that a few more times as I have only used it once in the last 3 weeks.
Dymatize's Pre w.o. I used awhile back and it felt ok. I used it again the other day and I felt awful from it. My gf even tried it and felt exactly the same. I will try it again but it's gonna be a low score even though on paper it looks good. I would probably say a 5/10 but I will try it again to access it better.
I have also just ordered 2 new products and should get them on Monday so I will post more on that next week. Has anyone tried any good new pre workouts recently?
I'm on my 10th tub of Convict.
I'm massively stim-tolerant and 600mg caffeine and/or 75+mg DMAA doesn't even phase me too much.
The two ingredients I love are Noopept (which is hard to find these days - let me know if anyone has a connect!) and DMHA.
I'm not associated with the company in any way, just sharing something that I've found works for me.
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I have been meaning to update this thread for ages
Nutrabio's PRE is a great product full of useful ingredients at effective doses. I need to use it a few more times but I am thinking 8.5/10. It's what I call a complete pre workout but it just misses that wow factor.
SAN's Fierce Domination is another good one. Nice energy and feel and good pumps. I use 2 scoops of that. I am thinking 8/10 but I also need to use that a few more times as I have only used it once in the last 3 weeks.
Dymatize's Pre w.o. I used awhile back and it felt ok. I used it again the other day and I felt awful from it. My gf even tried it and felt exactly the same. I will try it again but it's gonna be a low score even though on paper it looks good. I would probably say a 5/10 but I will try it again to access it better.
I have also just ordered 2 new products and should get them on Monday so I will post more on that next week. Has anyone tried any good new pre workouts recently?
I recently tried Nutrabio pre and think it is great. It's made a big difference to my training. I noticed that dymatize one was rated 9/10 on bb.com.
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The Nutrabio product looks good. I will try something as I could do with the energy and added pumps.
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I need to get this thread updated. I have many to add to my list. In the last few weeks I have mainly been using Re1gn and Kill it Reloaded both mixed with Full as Fuck. Re1gn can hit me differently each time but is always good for me. I used a couple of samples ages ago and can't even think of the names so they will get left out. I do have a new tub but waiting to try it out as I need to get rid of some of my other powders. The new one is called Goku Gains by Furious Formulations. I didn't even know who Furious Pete was until after I bought it. I had heard the name but googled him to find out. Here are the ingredients...
