The preworkout thread

[striffe]

Strong coffee for me. DMAA tabs are good but I stay away from them now.

 

[Elvia1023]

I have been mixing some products with great results. I usually do 1 scoop of d-stunner alpha with 1/2 scoop of something else. Tonight I just done 1 scoop of d-stunner alpha and had a great workout. This one has grown on me but I still think 8/10 is a fair score for it.

My list doesn't include BSN's No Xplode 3.0 as I forgot about it. I bought it a few months ago but left it for awhile. I did use it a few times but forgot to rate it. I used it the other day and noticed I had misdosed it. Many will know most pre workouts have the serving for 1 scoop on the label. The scoops for this are massive so I assumed 1 scoop. I read it the other day and it states the amounts for 2 servings. So I thought I was getting 300mg caffeine etc and was only getting 150mg caffeine. No wonder I thought it was weak. Here is the ingredient list:

Container Size: 600g
Servings Per Container: 30

Nutritional Information Per 2 Serving:
Energy: 272 kJ / 65 kcal

Amounts Per Serving
Vitamins & Minerals:
Vitamin C: 150 mg / 187%
Vitamin D: 4.6 µg / 92%
Vitamin B1: 3.5 mg /319%
Niacin: 14 mg / 86%
Vitamin B6: 3.5 mg / 251%
Folic acid: 336 µg /168%
Vitamin B12: 2.1 µg / 83%
Pantothenic Acid: 11 mg 178%
Magnesium: 247 mg / 66%

Amino Acids: 11 g / **
L-Arginine: 6g / **
L-Lysine: 1.9g / **
Glycine: 1g / **
N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine: 1g / **
L-Taurine: 1g / **
L-Phenylalanine: 160 mg / **
Creatine Monohydrate: 3.4g / **
Creatine: 3g / **
Beta-Alanine as Carnosyn®: 2.6g / **
Inositol: 1.9g / **
Choline: 400 mg / **
Betaine: 1.5g / **
Caffeine^: 300 mg / **
Grapefruit Bioflavonoids: 50 mg / **
Grapeseed Extract: 90 mg / **
Indian Gooseberry Extract: 75 mg / **
Black Pepper Extract: 10 mg / **

So this time I dosed 2 scoops and I need to mention you can't shake this stuff at all. I read that so put it in the shaker and stirred it lightly with a fork and the whole thing foamed up to the top and leaked. It was very good but nothing spectacular. Good pumps and no surprise with 6g arginine per 2 servings. I felt the beta alanine tingle a lot with this so that 2.6g Carnosyn is gtg. It contains quite a few useful ingredients. All in all I would say about a 7.5/10 maybe it will go up to an 8 but I need to use it a few more times to better access it.

 

[El Hereje]

Looks like a solid profile to me. I never have looked at that one. So i was at the mall killing some time and went into GNC and they stock prejym now. Only a couple of bucks more than it is at BB.com. Used it for leg day this evening, then about 2/3 the way in my workout I chased it with some BCAA mixed with cheap creatine HCL and L-carnitine.



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[Viking]

Looks like a solid profile to me. I never have looked at that one. So i was at the mall killing some time and went into GNC and they stock prejym now. Only a couple of bucks more than it is at BB.com. Used it for leg day this evening, then about 2/3 the way in my workout I chased it with some BCAA mixed with cheap creatine HCL and L-carnitine.



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How good was prejym?

 

[El Hereje]

How good was prejym?

It is good. I feel strong and alert with a decent pump. The black cherry flavor is really outstanding. I like that it uses Creatine HCL, i have always felt better using it over monohydrate but that’s just me. I do need to find something with less caffeine. About half of my workouts are in the evening so 300mg is just too much. 150-200 is the sweet spot for me. For morning or early afternoon, I’d say its one of the best I’ve tried.


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[Victory]

Any good moderate strength preworkouts? Nothing like hyde but not weak. Thanks

 

[Elvia1023]

Any good moderate strength preworkouts? Nothing like hyde but not weak. Thanks

I would say Recon's Total War. Many like GAT's PMP and Nitraflex but they weren't great for me. But with a lower tolerance they could be outstanding. So it may be worth trying GAT's PMP too.

 

[El Hereje]

How bout the one made by legion? Anybody try?


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[Elvia1023]

It is good. I feel strong and alert with a decent pump. The black cherry flavor is really outstanding. I like that it uses Creatine HCL, i have always felt better using it over monohydrate but that’s just me. I do need to find something with less caffeine. About half of my workouts are in the evening so 300mg is just too much. 150-200 is the sweet spot for me. For morning or early afternoon, I’d say its one of the best I’ve tried.


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Black Cherry sounds nice. PRE JYM is different in the sense you need to add much more water (like 500ml) and I bet the cherry tastes great. Mine is orange mango and that tastes nice.

Something like The Curse maybe good for you as it's low strength per scoop and you can mix 1-3 scoops depending upon the time you use it.

 

[Elvia1023]

How bout the one made by legion? Anybody try?


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I haven't but hopefully someone else has.

 

[Elvia1023]

I posted this in my log but will put it here as well as I use them pre workout as for blood flow, pumps and vascularity they can be incredible.

PDE5 Inhibitor Experiment

I am experimenting with PDE5 inhibitors pre workout now. Not everyday but so far I have used 3 brands. Over the years I have used many pharm grade and UG brands and the quality is mixed. The best ones I have used have been UG. I have used many different brands of tadalafil/cialis. Tadalafil is an incredible drug due to the pumps, vascularity, blood pressure effects and of course for the bedroom. A low dose (5-10mg) I think is a great addition to blasts for so many reasons. Sildenafil/Viagra I haven't used much as the few brands I tried gave me bad side effects such as facial flushing, runny nose, feeling very hot etc. However, I decided to give it another try as it's been years since I last tried it. Vardenafil/Levitra I don't have much experience with but when I tried it was great and the side effects weren't that bad. Here is what I have at the moment...

- Sildamax Sildenafil Citrate 100mg tabs by Argon India Limited
- Sildenafil Citrate 100mg tabs by Alpha Pharmaceuticals India
- Cockfosters 100mg tabs by Shree Venkatesh India
- Kamagra (sildenafil) 100mg effervescent tabs by Ajanta Pharma Limited India
- Tadalafil 20mg tabs by Shree Venkatesh India
- Valetra Vardenafil 20mg tabs by Shree Venkatesh India

Ok so all of them are from India which I didn't realize until now

I will go through what I have found so far. Please note other aids would have been used such as pre workout powder and lr3 or des so these reviews are not fully vaildated. Although I know how many things feel and I am mainly going on side effects as they are all good minus the side effects.

Cockfosters 100mg tabs by Shree Venkatesh India... very fast acting and I felt like 90% of the pump went down stairs I felt really hot and my face was red but they still felt ok. But these are definitely more suited for the bedroom if you want to use them for that.

Kamagra (sildenafil) 100mg effervescent tabs by Ajanta Pharma Limited India... I decided to dose half a tab as these are easy to snap in half and 100mg (above) was too high of a dose. Firstly the taste is horrible but meant to be orange flavour. Thïs felt good and more of the same as above but less pronounced and great for fullness/pumps. I need to experiment more with half a tab as 50mg seems to be a good dose for viagra pre workout.

Tadalafil 20mg tabs by Shree Venkatesh India... I love tadalafil and these are good ones. Great pumps and added vascualrity and all overall good feeling. Interestingly my nose starting running a but which I don't usually get from tadalafil but it wasn't bad. For me tadalafil is superior to viagra for running on cycles simply down to the much longer active life and only needing to dose it eod.

Valetra Vardenafil 20mg tabs by Shree Venkatesh India... these were great. Felt very similar to tadalafil. Very impressed so I will experiment with them more. These are active for upto about 8 hours so much shorter than tadalafil but a little longer than sildenafil. Therefore for guys who don't response well to viagra but would like a shorter acting product these could be ideal for you

 

[Elvia1023]

I have just ordered Enhanced Athlete's new pre workout and that contains DMHA. I have 2 tubs coming so I can experiment with it. Here are the ingredients for the pre workout...

I also have 2 tubs of Mesomorph on the way so I will finally get to try that Plus I added 1 tub of Nutrex Outlift Amped as that looks great. Here are ingredient panels for each...

Mesomorph

Nutrex Outlift Amped

 

[Fitraver]

Cockfosters hahahahaha

 

[El Hereje]

That nutrex looks interesting.


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[Elvia1023]

Cockfosters hahahahaha

Trust me a suitable name

That nutrex looks interesting.


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It really does. It's a shame they have taken it to somewhere else It states they have tried to delivery it 3 times and no one has been here. I can't even phone them but have emailed. I am hoping it doesn't get sent back to the US. If it does I will have to pay shipping again to Europe. Hopefully I get to try it soon.

 

[Elvia1023]

I have been experimenting with combining products recently. Everytime has been great apart from yesterday were I overdone things. Nothing bad but I was constantly out of breath whilst training. I used 1 scoop of hyphymud 2.0 and half a scoop of d-stunner alpha that time. I have also used 2 new products that were samples.

DS (Driven Sports) Frenzy... much better than I thought it would be from reading the label. Great energy and focus and no crash afterwards. I didn't notice much for the pumps on this one (energy formula) but they are usually good anyway (next to no pump ingredients and inadequate doses). The flavour was really unusual as it was purposely very fizzy (orange pop). The sachet was 10g but it stated just 1 serving. But the blend is 4.9g so I am unsure if it was 2 scoops or just 5.1g fillers per scoop. It was just in a sample plastic bag and not a lot of powder so I would guess 1 serving. They recommend 1-2 servings so this could get better if dosed higher. Overall 1 serving I give a 7/10.

Frenzy 40 Servings - Orange Pop
Serving size - 1 Scoop
Servings Per Container - 40

Amount Per Serving DV**

SRS Wattage Proprietary Blend 4.9g
Creatine Monohydrate, Taurine, L-Citrulline, L-Carnitine L-Tartrate, 4-Methyl-2-Pentanamine Citrate (Pouchung Tea) (Pentergy), B-Phenylethylamine HCl, Tangerine Extract (Citrus Reticulata) (Fruit) (Citramine), Caffeine Anhydrous.

* Daily Value Not Established
Other ingredients: Citric Acid, Natural & Artificial Flavours, Sodium Bicarbonate, Sucralose, Silica, FD&C Red Dye


Applied Nutrition ABE (All Black Everything)... this is a good product that performs well but nothing incredible. Good energy, focus and pumps with this one. The flavour is really different in the fact it is energy flavour so tastes just like a red bull. Although I notice they offer many flavours in this product. Nearly all the creatine is CM so obviously the cheaper source so pointless even putting in the 0.25g of other creatines. They do that so they can mention their tri-creatine blend It has 100mg teacrine in so you really feel that. It was 1 serving and I would give it a 7.5/10. 1.5 scoops of this could be really good but again just a sample serving.

Serving Information
Container Size: 315 g
Serving Size: 10.5 g
Servings Per Container: 30

Nutritional Information Per Serving
Energy: 1 kcal / 4 kJ
Fats: 0 gof which Saturates: 0 g
Carbohydrate: 0 gof which Sugars: 0 g
Fiber: 0 g
Protein As Is: 0 g
Protein Dry Basis: 0 g
Salt: 0.319 g

Amounts Per Serving
Tri-Creatine Blend: 3.25 g
Beta-Alanine: 2 g
Citruline Malate 2;1: 4 g
TeaCrine: 100 mg
Caffeine: 200 mg
Taurine: 200 mg
Vitamin B3 (Niacinamide): 80 mg
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin): 100 mcg

Ingredients
Citrulline Malate, Tri Creatine Blend (Creatine Monohydrate (3g per serving), Creatine Ethyl Ester, Creatine HCL), Sodium Bicarbonate, Citric Acid, Taurine, Caffeine, TeaCrine®, Sucralose, Niacinamide, Vitamin B12, Colour Turmeric Extract

 

[odin]

That nutrex looks interesting.


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I am thinking the same.

 

[Elvia1023]

I have used Enhanced Athlete Rage twice now. I have the Berry blast flavour and it tastes like crap which for pre workout is often a good sign (not always). I think it is great so far. Lot's of what I call clean energy and great pumps. It's nowhere as strong as some of the other products I have used but so much smoother. This is a really good product for me and gives the ideal energy and focus I need for the gym without over stimulating. I think the ratio of caffeine to DMHA is ideal. I find DMHA is much smoother than DMAA but obviously similar in effect. So far I would say a 9/10 but I need to experiment with it more.

 

[Elvia1023]

I have left this thread for awhile but I have so much to update. I will have to do it in stages. I will go through a few things I have tried recently.

Matrix Nutrition NO Pump Xtreme- I need to change my rating of this as I reordered it after all this time and it is nowhere as good as I remember. The ingredient list is the same so not sure what happened. It is a low caffeine formula so it's not about tolerance. Even the pump factor doesn't perform like it did. It is still good but not 9.5/10. I will put 2 scoops at 8/10.

Betacourt's D-Stunner Alpha- I voted this an 8/10 and I am keeping it at that but moving it up the list. Even if products have the same score I have tried to put them in order (due to the sheer number) so the higher the more I prefer that product. This product simply makes me feel so euphoric. This is quite a rare thing with pre workouts. Many contain ingredients that should make you feel that way but often they don't. Only a handful of products have given me this feeling and this is one of them. It's still an 8/10 as it doesn't have the pump factor other products have. Moreover, the euphoric feeling is quite short lived but it definitely deserves being moved up. It's a shame their D-Stunner product was banned as that was suppose to be better and what I originally wanted to order when I bought this.

Nutrex Outlift Amped- This is a new one and I have used it a few times recently. On paper this looks fantastic but like the original it under performs. It is still very good but I expected more. I try to start products with an open mind so I can judge them fairly but you only have to look at the ingredient list to see why I thought this one would be one of the best...

Serving Size: 22.2g (Approx 1 scoop)
Servings Per Container: 20

Amount per serving %DV
Magnesium (from Magnesium Creatine Chelate) 160 mg 40%
Sodium 135 mg 6%

Outlift® AMPED Pre-Workout Powerhouse
Citrulline Malate 2:1 8 g *
Carnosyn® Beta-Alanine 3.2 g *
Betaine Anhydrous 2.5 g *
Creatine MagnaPower® (Creatine Magnesium Chelate) 2 g *
Taurine 2 g *
N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine 750 mg *
Choline Bitartrate 500 mg *
Caffeine (Active) 350 mg *
Kaff2 Citrate 50.2% (yielding 200mg caffeine)
Caffeine Anhydrous (yielding 150mg caffeine)
Theacrine (as TeaCrine®) 50 mg *
Bioperine® [(Piper nigrum extract)(fruit)] 5 mg *
Rauwolscine 1.5 mg

It is still very good and I need to experiment with it more but I definitely thought it would be better than it is. It's very similar to the original outlift. So far I think an 8/10 but that could increase slightly. I should add the scooper is ridiculous. A perfect example of over designing. They have put a top on it so people can use for water bottles so I get that. But it's so impractical when trying to get powder into the scoop. Not a big deal but worth a mention.

BSN's Endo Rush- I just had a 1 serving sample for this one. This is the opposite of the above in many ways. If I didn't have this log when reading the ingredients I would be tempted to add a stimulant. But I wanted to judge it fairly so left it as it was. Firstly it contains some unusual ingredients in the form of euphoria longana and lindera aggregata and these definitely add to it's mentla effects. It contains 3g arginine and 3g citrulline malate. May would state that is enough but in my experience a very good mix and if they are high quality will product excellent muscle pumps. I have used products with 6-8g citrulline malate that didn't give pumps as good as this product. Only 2g beta-alanine as CarnoSyn but it must be a very high purity as I felt it loads. This is why I always state ingredients lists are an indication as who knows what exactly is in a product and what is the purity of those ingredients.

This product really surprised me. Nice boost in energy but great focus. In the gym I thought this would be ideal for most people who have decent sensitivity to stimulants. Although with this product the energy stayed and I felt great for hours after using. Even for me the energy/focus element was perfect. No jitters or over stimulanted feeling and lot's of clean energy. The pumps were also fanastic but my intra shake could add to that but it is a fixed thing so I use it for all products now. This is one of the best products I have used recently. I would give it about a 9/10. Something I just noticed is the ingredient profile for my sample is different to the one posted online. This one does not contain yohimbe plus different doses of other ingredients. Here is the ingredient list.

I have used Mesomorph recently as well but want to use it more before I post about it.

 

[El Hereje]

I really want to try that BSN based on this review. I need something with a little less caffeine as I drink a ton of coffee throughout the day. Just wish it had more carnosyn.


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