The preworkout thread

[Fitraver]

What's up Elvia?! My go to has been pre jym for quite some time now. The only other line of supps I will use is magnum nutraceuticals. Pharm grade out of Cananda and top notch all around.

 

[Elvia1023]

What's up Elvia?! My go to has been pre jym for quite some time now. The only other line of supps I will use is magnum nutraceuticals. Pharm grade out of Cananda and top notch all around.

Sorry about the late reply. PRE JYM is a great product and what I call a complete pre workout. Funny as you mention Magnum as I saw them years ago and wanted to order but couldn't from the particular site at the time. Their Quarttro powder looks fantastic. I have just checked out their site and their pre workout looks great too. They have 2 formulas, one in powder and the other in capsules. Their powdered pre workout contains Bacopa which is very unusual and the first I haver ever seen. I will be experimenting with bacopa over the next few weeks so it caught my eye. Thanks for posting.

The other day I tried Betancourt's D-Stunner Alpha in cherry icy flavour. Truth be told I can't remember if I dosed 1 or 1 1/3 scoops so I need to use it a few more times to judge it better. So far it was good but nothing spectacular. The first 20 mins were great but it seemed to fade away quickly. The taste is good and you can't really go wrong with cherry flavour. I will use it a few more times to better judge it.

I also tried out one from the past in GAT'S PMP and as I stated in the past it's definitely better than I first though. I used 1.5 scoops of that and with that I get great energy and pumps. Definitely not one of the best but a decent product if you use the right dose for you. I would give it an 7.5-8/10.

The last 2 days I have used Hyphy Mud 2.0 in the new flavour I bought. That's definitely one of my top pre workouts of all time. For my next training day I will try the D-Stunner Alpha again.

 

[Elvia1023]

I took Betancourt's D-Stunner Alpha for the 2nd time tonight before training back and bi-ceps. It tastes good and it performs well for me at 1 1/3 scoops. As I mentioned above nothing spectacular but it felt better than last time. The initial high is great but it fades away but still good sustained energy with no crash. Pumps are good but again nothing spectacular. Post workout I felt decent and now I feel great so no néeatives later on. All in all I give it a 7.5/10. I have been meaning to post a pic of my pre workouts and provide a full list with ratings so I will try and get that done tonight

 

[Elvia1023]

Firstly I regretted doing this as it took my ages (hours) I have compiled a complete list of everything I have used during this thread including a rating and brief review. Please note my stimulant tolerance has changed during this thread so some products from the past may not have the same effect as they once did. The same could be said for recent products that may not have scored highly but perhaps earlier may have felt better to me. Although I like to keep small amounts of many powders so I can reuse in the future and see if they passed the test of time. Below are all the products from start to finish starting from the best to the worst.

GSN's NitroNOX Pro- Probably the pre workout I have ever taken. This is amazing for energy, pumps, mood etc. It has everything and I recommend it to anyone. I would give it a 10/10.

Kali Muscle's Hyphy Mud 2.0- I simply love this product. On paper it looks crap but it makes me feel like a machine. The energy and focus and overall feeling on this product is amazing. I want to give it a 10 but I guess it lacks in pumps so I will give it a 9.5/10.

Matrix Nutrition NO Pump Xtreme- Amazing. This only has 80mg caffeine per scoop and is more a pump product. Incredible pumps and feel with a nice boost in energy. 2 scoops of this will give you ridiculous pumps and great energy. One of the best I have ever used. 2 scoops is a 9.5/10.

5% Nutrition 5150- This gets mixed reviews but I love it. It's not as strong as many may think but I get great energy, pumps and a euphoric feeling shortly after dosing. It's also one of the nicest pre workouts I have ever tasted ( (pomegranate flavour). Overall an easy 9/10.

PRE JYM- This didn't impress me at first but the more I used it the more I liked it. I call it a complete pre workout and it performs in every sense (pumps, energy, focus, feel) and contains some useful ingredients. I would give it a 9/10.

Dynamik's Savage Roar- An excellent pre workout that delivers in every way. Overall a 9/10.

Musclerage's Limitless- One of the nicest tasting pre workouts I have tried (Cotton Candy). Nice clean energy with no crash afterwards. One of the best products I have ever used for pumps. Overall 9/10.

RedCon1 Total War- A fantastic product and I can tell most would love this. Great for energy, pumps and focus. You can't really go wrong and it's a 9/10.

Ronnie Coleman Yeah Buddy- This to me is very similar to HYDE (on paper and in effect) but without any negatives. A very strong product I recommend to anyone who is fine with stimulants. Overall an easy 9/10.

5% Nutrition's Full as Fuck- Techinally not really a pre workout but many use it for that so it's worth mentioning. This contains no stimulants so if you want that it is ideal. I used this through the day (perhaps going the beach) or pre workout with caffeine. The pumps and vascularity from this are insane for me. It's much better used on an empty stomach and takes time to build up. An excellent stimulant free pre workout. You could also add a good stimulant like teacrine to it to make a fantastic complete preworkout too. For what it is I give it a 9/10.

Musclemeds NO BULL- Great product. Amazing for pumps and good energy. Feel very different but in a good way. Some of the best pumps ever but they fade away after 2 weeks or so. Overall a 8.5/10.

Cobra Labs The Curse- Fantastic product. On paper this doesn't look good at all... very basic etc. I think it contains 125mg caffeine and 5mg olive leaf extract per scoop. However I feel this a lot and it seems to get great reviews by most. Very cheap too. 2 scoops of this should make you a machine in the gym. Definitely recommend if you want something simple but effective. Rating changes with scoops but overall a 8.5/10.

Ergogenix's Ergoblast- A great pre workout and felt very different to most. Nothing too powerful but the focus was great. The pumps were incredible on this product. Overall I give it a 8.5/10.

Muscle Chemistry's Pump Juice Extreme- Great product and provides clean energy and incredible pumps. If you need a pump product try this one (10/10 for pumps). Overall I rate it an 8.5/10.

BSN's NO-XPLODE XE EDGE- It contains a lot of useful ingredients. Whilst some may not be dosed high enough the final effect is a very good one. It performs in all areas and I felt great on it. This was just a sachet so could be better at a higher dose. Overall an 8.5/10.

Dorian Yates NOX Pump- Decent. I used this years ago and it was incredible. This time nowhere as good so the formula must be different (something got banned). Maybe better than decent as with an espresso I am an animal in the gym. This an a single espresso was a fav of mine for a while. With an extra kick this product can score a 9.5/10 but alone it's a solid 8/10.

Chaos and Pain’s Cannibal Ferox Amped- Probably the strongest pre workout I have ever taken in regards to stimulants. I really enjoyed this and if you like your stimulants definitely try it out. The one area this really stands out in is the added mental focus. Overall I give it an 8/10.

Run Everything Lab's EWP- This is a very good product but it's effectiveness lowered fairly quickly. It gives me a good boost in energy and pumps. Overall a 8/10.

ProSupps Mr Hyde Zero- Everyone rates this very highly but it's nowhere near my favourite products. It's strong and great for energy but this left me breathless and I have used stronger products without that side effect. Although it still scores fairly highly at 8/10.

Gaspari SP250- Very good. Better for energy and focus than pumps bit overall a great pre workout. It did make me crash a bit later on though. I would get the shakes too. Ver strong even at just 1 scoop and it is not a 1 scoop formula so be careful when upping the dose. I would give it an 8/10.

Universal's Fury- A very basic but solid product. Contains everything you need in a pre workout though. Green apple flavour is the sweetest pre workout I have ever tried. I like that but many won't. Solid product and scores an 8/10.

Brawn Nutrition's Venom 2.0-Not for the stimulant sensitive. Although this didn't feel as strong as I intially thougth it would be. Overall a very good product and I rate it an 8/10.

BSN's NO Xplode 3.0- Good product and well worth a try. Very long lasting energy with this one. Overall an 8/10.

Betancourt's D-Stunner Alpha- My latest pre workout and a solid product. Great initial surge of energy that lowers quickly but still stays. Nothing spectacular but many should enjoy this product. So far an 8/10.

Grenade's .50 Caliber- It comes in fireball flavour and this is unique to any bb products. Some will love the taste and many will hate it. I quite like it but chilli flavour is unusual. This delivers in all areas and most should enjoy it. Overall I give it an 8/10.

Nutrex Hemo Rage The Underground- Very similar to Hemo Rage black and gives great energy. Nothing incredible but a solid product. I rate it 7.5/10.

GAT PMP- A similar but improved version of Nitraflex. This really grew on me but nothing spectacular. Overall a good product though and I give it a 7.5/10.

Nutrex Outlift- Very good product but not as good as the label suggests. It's similar to PRE JYM in many ways but not as effective. I would give it a 7.5/10.

Nutrex's Hemo Rage Black- This is all about energy and a decent product but not as good as many others I have tried. Although I feel really good on this one. Overall I give it a 7.5/10.

Lee Lebrada Super Charge Xtreme 4.0- Initially I was not impressed at all but it did improve over time. Not a cheap pre workout either. It's meant to have a lot of caffeine in but I feel a single espresso more than 1 scoop. Might be ok for some but definitely not for me. 1 scop would be 5/10 and 2 scoops 7.5/10.

Blackstone Labs Dust v2- Nice flow of energy and great pumps. Not as strong as I thought it would be. Overall a decent preworkout and 7.5/10.

Beast Yourself Raging Bull- Very good. On paper it is incredible but doesn't live on to that. Really good pumps and combined with an espresso it comes alive even more. I would give it a 7.5/10.

PRE-KAGED by Kaged Muscle- An excellent ingredient list and as a result a very expensive pre workout. Similar to PRE JYM in many ways. Overall a good product but doesn't have the wow factor. Overall I give it an 7.5/10.

Dynamik's Gamma Ray- This is more of a compliment product in my eyes. It's the pump product for Savage Roar. If you are judging it solely it's nothing spectacular but when added to a traditonal pre workout it can be really special. Not as effective as Full as Fuck but a very good product. Judging it solely as a pump product I would give it a 7.5/10.

Universal's Shock Therapy- A good pre workout in every sense. I would recommend this one for beginners. Performs in all areas and at 2 scoops an 7.5/10.

USN 3XT Pump- The only thing this does for pumps is the name of the product. It's all energy and very good at that. Some may liek this but I would run out to buy it. Overall a 7/10.

MHP's Reckless- This was a 2 serving sachet so my review is limited to just 1 usage. The initial energy surge was great but it faded really quickly and overall this product is lacking. I can imagine 1 serving would be a waste for me. 2 servings scores a 7/10.

Scivation Quake 10.0- What a disappointment. Looks really good on paper but doesn't perform. The pumps are good but no real energy or focus for me. Overall a 6.5/10.

5% Nutrition KILL IT- This one I only tried a sample so take this review with a pinch of salt. I wasn't impressed and expected/hoped for better as I like 5%. Didn't notice too much but again only a sample. Overall a 6/10 but with more scoops could be much better.

GAT Nitraflex- Not impressed at all. I just had a 2 weeks break from caffeine too. Need to give it another week but so far doesn't do much. It's meant to have 325mg caffeine and 1.5g beta alanine per scoop but I don't feel either. Taste means nothing for pre workout's but I will say the pina colada is nice. I would give it a 5/10.

MAN Sports NOOPump- This is another stimulant free pre workout. I was disappointed using this and it's nowhere as effective as Full as Fuck. It's not a bad product but there are much better out there. Overall I rate it a 5/10.

Warrior Rage- Marketed as one of the strongest pre workouts but didn't do much. I would not recommend it. I give it a 3/10

MRI Black Powder- Crap. Not even worth writing more about. How can you fuck up a pre workout so much. 2 pro plus would be better. Rating is the worst in my list and 1/1.

 

[Elvia1023]

The other day I used Dymatize Nutrition's M.P.ACT Energy Ignitor and wasn't impressed. It's a pretty standard product and hits you fairly strong but I didn't like the feel from it. There are much better products on the market but still a 6/10.

Earlier I used 2 scoops of Quake 10.0 for the first time in awhile. It gets good reviews online but for me it simply doesn't deliver. On paper it sounded fantastic so I am not sure what has gone on. An example a very cheap ingredient is Caffeine Anhydrous which they would never short the dosing. However it's suppose to contain 350mg Caffeine Anhydrous and there is no way I feel that. 350mg caffeine is a lot and I use caffeine most days and this doesn't feel like 350mg in a million years. I used the Curse the other day and feel that much more even those the stated dose is much lower. I really wanted it to be great and when ordering was excited as it looks great but very standard even with 2 full scoops. I will stick with my 6.5/10 rating.

 

[ASHOP]

I quite using stimulant pre workouts like this for the most part. The other day however I cracked open an old can of Focus Nutritions Hercules and that stuff gave me a NICE kick in the pants that lasted several hours with no crash. It a AMP Citrate based product so not sure if its made any longer.

 

[Elvia1023]

I quite using stimulant pre workouts like this for the most part. The other day however I cracked open an old can of Focus Nutritions Hercules and that stuff gave me a NICE kick in the pants that lasted several hours with no crash. It a AMP Citrate based product so not sure if its made any longer.

I am going to calm down with the pre workouts for awhile. I will still use them most training days but no more than 300mg caffeine and no strong stimulants. Plus that's the only caffeine I have in the day. I will also have a 2 week break from all caffeine very soon.

I just realized I never posted my pre workout collection pic so here it is...


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[Elvia1023]

I have been enjoying using D-Stunner Alpha. It hits hard and fades quicker than most so I especially recommend it for guys who are in and out of the gym within 1 hour.

I may have been a bit generous giving Universal's Shock Therapy 7.5/10 for 2 scoops. It's not a great pre workout and I wouldn't even waste using 1 scoop for me. It's still decent but you need to double scoop it. I understand why in a video I saw Antoine Vailliant treble scooping it. It doesn't state the actual caffeine content and I just looked online to read a rep stating 1 scoop contains "the amount of caffeine is equal to about 2 cups of coffee". Obviously that statement could mean anything but using logic most people go by approx 100mg caffeine per coffee. Although 2 scoops does not feel like 400mg caffeine and closer to 300mg but who knows. It would be ideal for a beginner but there are definitely much better products on the market.

Tonight I used 1.5 scoops of RedCon1's Total War and that felt amazing. It does state don't use more than 2 scoops in a 24 hour period so it's not advertised as a 1 scoop formula even though I mainly use 1 scoop like most people. The 1/2 scoop definitely makes a big difference though. 1 scoop is 250mg caffeine but it contains other stimulants. I was full of energy and the pump was incredible. I obviously use an intra shake as well so that only adds to pumps too. But these pumps were different than usual and I definitely felt the difference.

 

[mslmn]

What would you recommend for some long lasting energy without over stimulation. I like to keep the caffeine 200 mg. or under but like a mixture of a few different stimulants.

 

[Elvia1023]

What would you recommend for some long lasting energy without over stimulation. I like to keep the caffeine 200 mg. or under but like a mixture of a few different stimulants.

Sorry about the late reply. I have been away and only just noticed this. I would recommend Redcon1's Total War. It has 250mg caffeine and a few other stimulants. It's a great overall product and not too strong with some excellent pump ingredients too.

 

[Elvia1023]

I ordered myself a tub of the Matrix Nutrition NO Pump Xtreme that I have used in the past. I visited my parents in the UK and had it sent there as it's easier. I have to say I was a little disappointed. I guess I am just so used to having that stimulant boost and it was missing that. Although the pumps were great so I can't complain. Long story short I left it in the UK so annoyed as I wanted to use it at home for my late night workouts. I am sure with some teacrine or another stimulant added it will be perfect.

Last night I used 1 scoop of Hyphy Mud 2.0 and that was amazing. Full of energy and focus and it's one of the best I have ever used as my list shows.

Tonight I used Betancourt's D-Stunner Alpha again in cherry ice flavour. The first 30 mins are amazing and a big high and lot's of energy but it does drop and fast. This is best used just before you walk in the gym for approx 1 hour workouts. It does obviously stay with you but you definitely feel the drop. If it didn't have the drop it would be higher than an 8/10 and near the top. I originally wanted to get their original D-Stunner as that is supposed to be amazing but I think it was banned and the Alpha version was released. I have just looked online on about 10 sites and the original is discontinued or out of stock.

 

[ASHOP]

id like to try these preworkouts but ii end up getting blood pressure issues. well, i use caffeine ephedrine combo and it shoots my bp up around 170/100.
would this stuff be better to try or would it max my bp also?

If you have BP issues MOST of the pre workouts will probably aggravate it even more.

 

[Sandpig]

Sorry about the late reply. I have been away and only just noticed this. I would recommend Redcon1's Total War. It has 250mg caffeine and a few other stimulants. It's a great overall product and not too strong with some excellent pump ingredients too.

I second this.

 

[Elvia1023]

If you have BP issues MOST of the pre workouts will probably aggravate it even more.

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Although ECA can be very strong so pjk1969 if you pick certain pre workout products you could get great results but your bp doesn't elevate half as bad. Maybe try something like Cobra Labs The Curse, Redcon's Total War or Pre Jym. The last 2 contain high doses of citrulline malate so that will definitely mitigate some of the bp issues from the caffeine/stimulants.

 

[Viking]

Savage Roar is a good one. Great pumps and energy.

 

[Elvia1023]

Savage Roar is a good one. Great pumps and energy.

It's one of my fav products. They do Gamma-Ray which is their main pump product so that only adds to the Savage Roar. Although unlimited to brands I would add 5%'s 5150 to a product like Savage Roar if someone wanted ultimate pumps.

Tonight I took 1 scoop of Hyphy Mud 2.0 and half a scoop of D-Stunner Alpha and it didn't disappoint. I wanted a big surge of energy and I was flying I used to combine products a lot in the past but stopped doing it. Gonna carry on combining them but not overdo the total dose.

The d-stunner alpha really hits in quick and hard and the hyphy mud is slower (still quick though) so it's a nice combination. Although they are both high energy blends but that what I was going for tonight. I might do the same 2moro with 1 scoop of total war and 1/2 scoop of d-stunner alpha as they have much different release patterns.

 

[Viking]

It's one of my fav products. They do Gamma-Ray which is their main pump product so that only adds to the Savage Roar. Although unlimited to brands I would add 5%'s 5150 to a product like Savage Roar if someone wanted ultimate pumps.

Tonight I took 1 scoop of Hyphy Mud 2.0 and half a scoop of D-Stunner Alpha and it didn't disappoint. I wanted a big surge of energy and I was flying I used to combine products a lot in the past but stopped doing it. Gonna carry on combining them but not overdo the total dose.

The d-stunner alpha really hits in quick and hard and the hyphy mud is slower (still quick though) so it's a nice combination. Although they are both high energy blends but that what I was going for tonight. I might do the same 2moro with 1 scoop of total war and 1/2 scoop of d-stunner alpha as they have much different release patterns.

I might try the 5% one. Thanks for the details.

 

[El Hereje]

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Although ECA can be very strong so pjk1969 if you pick certain pre workout products you could get great results but your bp doesn't elevate half as bad. Maybe try something like Cobra Labs The Curse, Redcon's Total War or Pre Jym. The last 2 contain high doses of citrulline malate so that will definitely mitigate some of the bp issues from the caffeine/stimulants.

Is total war pretty good? Been thinking about trying it, little cheaper than prejym.


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[Elvia1023]

I might try the 5% one. Thanks for the details.

Sorry I meant 5% Full as Fuck. 5150 is their stimulant pre workout (great too). Full as Fuck contains no stimulants and just pump ingredients.

Is total war pretty good? Been thinking about trying it, little cheaper than prejym.


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It's very good. I would definitely recommend it. It does a bit of everything. I guess it depends what you are after. Total War is moderate in regards to stimulants with some great pump ingredients. It's worth stating my moderate could be high for some people so it is not weak by any means. I would go with that or something like Savage Roar.

 

[El Hereje]

Total war recipe is allot like prejym except no BCAA and not carnosyn brand beta alanine. I was thinking I would just throw a scoop of BCAA I already have in it. It’s about 12$ cheaper last time I looked. 250 mg of caffeine is good for me. I don’t really care for a stimulant “buzz” much. Makes me feel sick during cardio sometimes. Thanks for the info


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