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The preworkout thread

Elvia1023

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Have you tried it now? I am also in look for a good pump product.

My parcel went on a little adventure and has been sent back to the UK. So I haven't tried any of the new ones yet. Although I should receive it very soon. I will update the thread when I do. 1st day I will try Komodo Pump.
 

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https://www.nutraingredients-usa.co...trition-range-with-new-NO-boosting-ingredient

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10715762.2017.1390228?journalCode=ifra20

SPECTRA7 has been in a few products in the past but seems to be appearing more and more. It's only 7 different plant extracts but seems to be a good addition to the more known ingredients for "pumps". There isn't loads of data on it but it sounds promising as a safe addition to a pre workout. You can buy it as a standalone (50mg caps) but there is 150mg in komodo pump as well. Granted it's NO increasing powers are likely minimal compared to some nitrates but I will still test it out to see how it performs.
 

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Vaso blitz is really good for vascularity I take it + creatine mono + noopept and some creatine nitrate pills (APS) + I have an energy mix of taurine caffeine (60mg) and a few other goodies I throw in sometimes as well.
 

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nitraflex works good for me. Ill still bounce between C4 too just because its cheap at costco.

I just need energy for my workout. Dont need to feel like Im gacked out
 

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Has anyone used axe & sledge ignition switch?

I haven't used it but have been told it is ok and nothing special. Looking at the ingredient panel that doesn't surprise me.

nitraflex works good for me. Ill still bounce between C4 too just because its cheap at costco.

I just need energy for my workout. Dont need to feel like Im gacked out

Never used c4 even though it's one of the most popular "standard" preworkouts. I was disappointed with Nitraflex but it was still decent. The GAT preworkouts are very similar and I preferred PMP. I haven't tried Psychon yet though (I won't unless I get a sample). If you just need some energy and pumps they are gtg. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone though as there are many better alternatives. Nitraflex in pina colada is probably the nicest pre workout (plus 5%'s 5150) I have ever tasted.
 

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I am finally going to get my supp order. It took ages to go back to the UK. They told me they thought it had got lost and discussed my order and decided they would ship another one to me at cost to them. However just as they had decided the postman come with my returned parcel. They sent it back to be and it come in 2 days but I had it sent somewhere else as I was on holiday. That person is also on holiday now so I have to wait until they are back but I should have it in about 1 week. I think it's been 3 months now. I can't even remember everything I ordered :eek: Not gonna check and just get a surprise when it comes :D

I am running very low and just been dosing Driven Sports RIZE or 5%'s Kill It Reloaded. Neither is anything special but decent products. RIZE gives me a great initial high but I crash from it. As a result I have been doing 1 scoop and having 300mg caffeinated aminos during training and making sure I evenly space out the aminos.

2 products that have caught my attention recently are...

Alpha Lion Free*** Juice

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Biohack Serum Code – Infl8

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My favorites are:

1.Dr Jekyll - great pumps, focus, and best for use if lifting a few hrs before bed
2.Lit - Great pumps, focus and energy, high dose citrulline - Itchy skin sometimes but not bad
3. 200-300mg caffeine anhydrous - probably healthier than most pre workouts and dose the job just fine


And always creatine, either 5g of monohydrate or 3g of hcl, along with a lot of water
 

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I am going through my updated list but it has taken so long I am going to have to just post this unfinished. I have left some notes and will finish this off tomorrow.

I have been meaning to post in this thread for ages. It's got to the point I have forgotten many things but I will try my best to update my pre workout ratings list including new additions and adjustments. I will make sure I keep it updated more regularly so nothing is lost a long the way. These are just my personal findings but everyone's response is different.

New additions include:

AllMax Nutrition - Impact Igniter
Muscletech Shatter, SX-7, Black Onyx
Imperial Nutrition Excelsior DONE
Hydrapharm Hydrazine DONE
Nutrabio PRE DONE
SAN's Fierce ***ination DONE
Olympus Labs Re1gn DONE
Goku Gains by Furious Formulations
Blackstone Labs Dust-X DONE
Driven Sports Rize
Condemned Labz Convict DONE
Black Magic BZRK
5%'s Kill It Reloaded
Dymatize PRE DONE


Adjustments include:


Imperial Nutrition Excelsior- where do I start. Over time this went from an 8.5/10 to a 10/10 and back and forth. It's probably the best preworkout I have ever used. However it would sometimes make me feel a bit off but the positives always outweighed the negatives. The energy, focus and euphoria are incredible. It also lasts very long and I would find myself being super productive long after training. As a result this stuff can't be used anywhere near bed time (literally 6 hours at a complete minimum). Many use 1-2 scoops but 1.5 is more than enough for me. The intense euphoria occurs at the higher doses but I don't get any negatives at 1 scoop. At 1 scoop I don't crash and never get over wired but still get great energy and productivity for hours after training. This product is really a 9.5/10 due to the potential negatives but it has to be number 1 so I am going with a 10/10.

GSN's NitroNOX Pro- This is amazing for energy, pumps, mood etc. It has everything and I recommend it to everyone. I would give it a 10/10. Unfortunately this product is no longer available which is a shame.

Kali Muscle's Hyphy Mud 2.0- I simply love this product. On paper it looks crap but it makes me feel like a machine. The energy and focus and overall feeling on this product is amazing. I want to give it a 10 but I guess it lacks in pumps so I will give it a 9.5/10.

Dymatize PRE- Fantastic product that provides clean energy and great pumps. It doesn't give the euphoria of Excelsior but it has no negative side effects for me. Ideal for someone who can't use strong stimulants such as DMAA and DMHA. It contains a good mix of caffeine (300mg) and teacrine (125mg). I like to use this during my breaks from the stronger stimulants. It deserves 9.5/10.

5% Nutrition 5150- This gets mixed reviews but I love it. It's not as strong as many may think but I get great energy, pumps and a euphoric feeling shortly after dosing. It's also one of the nicest pre workouts I have ever tasted (pomegranate flavour). Overall an easy 9/10.

Olympus Labs Re1gn- this is a great product. Amazing energy and good pumps. I had some amazing workouts using this and it was very useful on days I was demotivated. It contains some unusual ingredients and I respond great to them. However some (KannaEase for example) may make some people feel sick/off (you have been warned). I would give this an 9/10.

PRE JYM- This didn't impress me at first but the more I used it the more I liked it. I call it a complete pre workout and it performs in every sense (pumps, energy, focus, feel) and contains some useful ingredients. I would give it a 9/10.

Dynamik's Savage Roar- An excellent pre workout that delivers in every way. Overall a 9/10.

Musclerage's Limitless- One of the nicest tasting pre workouts I have tried (Cotton Candy). Nice clean energy with no crash afterwards. One of the best products I have ever used for pumps. Overall 9/10.

RedCon1 Total War- A fantastic product and I can tell most would love this. Great for energy, pumps and focus. You can't really go wrong and it's a 9/10.

BSN's Endo Rush- I used just a 1 serving sample for this product. It contains some unusual ingredients in the form of euphoria longana and lindera aggregata and these definitely add to it's mental effects. It contains 3g arginine and 3g citrulline malate. Many would state that is not enough but in my experience a very good mix and if they are high quality should produce excellent muscle pumps. Only 2g beta-alanine as CarnoSyn but it must be a very high purity as I felt it loads. This is why I always state ingredient lists are an indication as who knows what exactly is in a product and what is the purity of those ingredients. Great pumps and a nice boost in energy but great focus. The energy stayed and I felt great for hours after using. No jitters or over stimulanted feeling and lot's of clean energy. Something I noticed is the ingredient profile for my sample is different to the one posted online. The product I used does not contain yohimbe plus uses different doses of other ingredients. I would give this 9/10.

Ronnie Coleman Yeah Buddy- This to me is very similar to HYDE (on paper and in effect) but without any negatives. A very strong product I recommend to anyone who is fine with stimulants. Overall an easy 9/10.

5% Nutrition's Full as Fuck- Techinally not really a pre workout but many use it for that so it's worth mentioning. This contains no stimulants so if you want that it is ideal. I used this through the day (perhaps going the beach) or pre workout with caffeine. The pumps and vascularity from this are insane for me. It's much better used on an empty stomach and takes time to build up. An excellent stimulant free pre workout. You could also add a good stimulant like teacrine to it to make a fantastic complete preworkout too. For what it is I give it a 9/10.

Enhanced Athlete's RAGE-Berry blast flavour tastes like crap which for pre workout is often a good sign (not always). Lot's of clean energy and great pumps. It's nowhere as strong as some of the other products I have used but so much smoother. This is a really good product for me and gives the ideal energy and focus I need for the gym without over stimulating. I think the ratio of caffeine to DMHA is ideal. I find DMHA is much smoother than DMAA but obviously similar in effect. I would give this 9/10.

Musclemeds NO BULL- Great product. Amazing for pumps and good energy. Feel very different but in a good way. Some of the best pumps ever but they fade away after 2 weeks or so. Overall a 8.5/10.

Cobra Labs The Curse- Fantastic product. On paper this doesn't look good at all (very basic). I think it contains 125mg caffeine and 5mg olive leaf extract per scoop. 2 scoops of this should make you a machine in the gym. Definitely recommend if you want something simple but effective. Rating changes with scoops but overall a 8.5/10.

Ergogenix's Ergoblast- A great pre workout and felt very different to most. Nothing too powerful but the focus was great. The pumps were incredible on this product. Overall I give it a 8.5/10.

Blackstone Labs Dust-X- I only used a 1 serving sample but was very impressed. All in all great focus, energy and sense of well being. I can't comment on pumps as I used dbol/adrol that day as well :D I will say 8.5/10.

Muscle Chemistry's Pump Juice Extreme- Great product and provides clean energy and incredible pumps. If you need a pump product try this one (10/10 for pumps). Overall I rate it an 8.5/10.

BSN's NO-XPLODE XE EDGE- It contains a lot of useful ingredients. Whilst some may not be dosed high enough the final effect is a very good one. It performs in all areas and I felt great on it. This was just a sachet so could be better at a higher dose. Overall an 8.5/10.

Betancourt's D-Stunner Alpha- Great initial surge of energy that lowers quickly but still stays. This product simply makes me feel so euphoric. This is quite a rare thing with pre workouts. Many contain ingredients that should make you feel that way but often they don't. Only a handful of products have given me this feeling and this is one of them. Many should enjoy this product. A solid 8/10.

Nutrex Outlift Amped- On paper this looks fantastic but like the original it under performs. It is still very good but I expected more. It's very similar to the original outlift and performs in all areas. I should add the scooper is ridiculous. A perfect example of over designing. They have put a top on it so people can use for water bottles so I get that. But it's so impractical when trying to get powder into the scoop. Not a big deal but worth a mention. I give this 8/10.

Dorian Yates NOX Pump- Decent. I used this years ago and it was incredible. This time nowhere as good so the formula must be different (something got banned). Maybe better than decent as with an espresso I am an animal in the gym. This an a single espresso was a fav of mine for a while. With an extra kick this product can score a 9.5/10 but alone it's a solid 8/10.

Chaos and Pain’s Cannibal Ferox Amped- Probably the strongest pre workout I have ever taken in regards to stimulants. I really enjoyed this and if you like your stimulants definitely try it out. The one area this really stands out in is the added mental focus. Overall I give it an 8/10.

Nutrabio PRE- Very good product full of useful ingredients at effective doses. It's what I call a complete pre workout but it just misses that wow factor. I would give it an 8/10.

Run Everything Lab's EWP- This is a very good product but it's effectiveness lowered fairly quickly. It gives me a good boost in energy and pumps. Overall a 8/10.

ProSupps Mr Hyde Zero- Everyone rates this very highly but it's nowhere near my favourite products. It's strong and great for energy but this left me breathless and I have used stronger products without that side effect. Although it still scores fairly highly at 8/10.

Gaspari SP250- Very good. Better for energy and focus than pumps bit overall a great pre workout. It did make me crash a bit later on though. I would get the shakes too. Very strong even at just 1 scoop and it is not a 1 scoop formula so be careful when upping the dose. I would give it an 8/10.

Universal's Fury- A very basic but solid product. Contains everything you need in a pre workout though. Green apple flavour is the sweetest pre workout I have ever tried. I like that but many won't. Solid product and scores an 8/10.

Brawn Nutrition's Venom 2.0-Not for the stimulant sensitive. Although this didn't feel as strong as I intially thougth it would be. Overall a very good product and I rate it an 8/10.

SAN's Fierce ***ination- Nice energy, feel and good pumps. Doesn't have the wow factor but for most it would be a solid product to try. I give it an 8/10.

BSN's NO Xplode 3.0- Good product and well worth a try. Very long lasting energy with this one. Includes many useful ingredients. Do not shake this one and just stir it. Overall an 8/10.

Grenade's .50 Caliber- It comes in fireball flavour and this is unique to any bb products. Some will love the taste and many will hate it. I quite like it but chilli flavour is unusual. This delivers in all areas and most should enjoy it. Overall I give it an 8/10.

Hydrapharm Hydrazine- I only used a 2 cap sample serving for this product. At that dose it hit me much faster than what was listed on the label. It started with the most intense focus I had felt in a long time. However over a relatively short time it faded so overall I was disappointed. It's still very good and I am sure many will love it but after such an intense start it was disappointment. It's worth adding these caps should be great when added to other preworkouts to enhance focus. I would still give 2 caps 7.5/10.

Matrix Nutrition NO Pump Xtreme- I have knocked this down from a 9.5/10. When I used this again it's performance was completely different. The ingredient list is the same but my response completely different. It only contains 80mg caffeine per scoop but this is not a stimulant thing. Even the pump factor is a fraction of the past. I can speculate why but no point as the main factor is how it performs now. Good pumps and energy. 2 scoops is a 7.5/10.

Nutrex Hemo Rage The Underground- Very similar to Hemo Rage black and gives great energy. Nothing incredible but a solid product. I rate it 7.5/10.

GAT PMP- A similar but improved version of Nitraflex. This really grew on me but nothing spectacular. Overall a good product though and I give it a 7.5/10.

Nutrex Outlift- Very good product but not as good as the label suggests. It's similar to PRE JYM in many ways but not as effective. I would give it a 7.5/10.

Nutrex's Hemo Rage Black- This is all about energy and a decent product but not as good as many others I have tried. Although I feel really good on this one. Overall I give it a 7.5/10.

Lee Lebrada Super Charge Xtreme 4.0- Initially I was not impressed at all but it did improve over time. Not a cheap pre workout either. It's meant to have a lot of caffeine in but I feel a single espresso more than 1 scoop. Might be ok for some but definitely not for me. 1 scop would be 5/10 and 2 scoops 7.5/10.

Blackstone Labs Dust v2- Nice flow of energy and great pumps. Not as strong as I thought it would be. Overall a decent preworkout and 7.5/10.

Applied Nutrition ABE (All Black Everything)- this is a good product that performs well but nothing incredible. Good energy, focus and pumps with this one. The flavour is really different in the fact it is energy flavour so tastes just like a red bull. Although I notice they offer many flavours in this product. Nearly all the creatine is CM so obviously the cheaper source so pointless even putting in the 0.25g of other creatines. They do that so they can mention their tri-creatine blend. It contains 100mg teacrine so you really feel that. I used a sample and think if you dosed 1.5 scoops this could be really good. For 1 serving I would give it 7.5/10.

Beast Yourself Raging Bull- Very good. On paper it is incredible but doesn't live on to that. Really good pumps and combined with an espresso it comes alive even more. I would give it a 7.5/10.

PRE-KAGED by Kaged Muscle- An excellent ingredient list and as a result a very expensive pre workout. Similar to PRE JYM in many ways. Overall a good product but doesn't have the wow factor. Overall I give it an 7.5/10.

APS Nutrition Mesomorph- This is literally the highest rated preworkout on the forums. I was very disappointed with it. Some people just don't respond to DMAA like others. Although for me there is more to it than that. Mesomorph is obviously strong but I don't feel it in a good way. It can make me a bit out of breath but I don't feel insane focus etc. It's not bad but I just don't feel great on it and I have tried 1/2 of a scoop to 1.5 scoops. I also seem to crash from it and many times would feel very tired after the gym. I would give it 7.5/10.

Dynamik's Gamma Ray- This is more of a compliment product in my eyes. It's the pump product for Savage Roar. If you are judging it solely it's nothing spectacular but when added to a traditonal pre workout it can be really special. Not as effective as Full as Fuck but a very good product. Judging it solely as a pump product I would give it a 7.5/10.

DS (Driven Sports) Frenzy- much better than I thought it would be from reading the label. Great energy and focus and no crash afterwards. I didn't notice much for the pumps on this one (energy formula) but they are usually good anyway (next to no pump ingredients and inadequate doses). The flavour was really unusual as it was purposely very fizzy (orange pop). They recommend 1-2 servings so this could get better if dosed higher. For 1 serving I give 7/10.

USN 3XT Pump- The only thing this does for pumps is the name of the product. It's all energy and very good at that. Some may like this but I wouldn't run out to buy it. Overall a 7/10.

MHP's Reckless- This was a 2 serving sachet so my review is limited to just 1 usage. The initial energy surge was great but it faded really quickly and overall this product is lacking. I can imagine 1 serving would be a waste for me. 2 servings scores a 7/10.

Universal's Shock Therapy- I have lowered this down after using the full tub. I would recommend this one for beginners. Performs in all areas but I need to use 2 scoops and at that dose rate it 6.5/10.

Scivation Quake 10.0- What a disappointment. Looks really good on paper but doesn't perform. The pumps are good but no real energy or focus for me. Overall a 6.5/10.

5% Nutrition KILL IT- This one I only tried a sample so take this review with a pinch of salt. I wasn't impressed and expected/hoped for better as I like 5%. Didn't notice too much but again only a sample. Overall a 6/10 but with more scoops could be much better.

Dymatize Nutrition's M.P.ACT Energy Ignitor- a pretty standard product and hits you fairly strong but I didn't like the feel from it. There are much better products on the market but still a 6/10.

GAT Nitraflex- Not impressed at all. I just had a 2 weeks break from caffeine too. Need to give it another week but so far doesn't do much. It's meant to have 325mg caffeine and 1.5g beta alanine per scoop but I don't feel either. Taste means nothing for pre workout's but I will say the pina colada is nice. I would give it a 5/10.

MAN Sports NOOPump- This is another stimulant free pre workout. I was disappointed using this and it's nowhere as effective as Full as Fuck. It's not a bad product but there are much better out there. Overall I rate it a 5/10.

Warrior Rage- Marketed as one of the strongest pre workouts but didn't do much. I would not recommend it. I give it a 3/10

Condemned Labz Convict- On paper this looks ideal for me but it was terrible for me. I always felt out of breath on it even with 1 scoop. However it didn't feel strong nor did it give the focus and energy other product's do. It actually worsens my workouts which is strange for a pre workout. Maybe I should have tried a very small serving for a little booster but I gave my tub away. Most seem to love it though and it's rated very highly. For me it has to be a 1/10.

MRI Black Powder- Crap. Not even worth writing more about. How can you fuck up a pre workout so much. 2 pro plus would be better. Rating is the worst in my list and 1/1.
 

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I haven't had a chance to update my list but I will. I am also experimenting with various new products now as well. I will post lot's of updates fairly soon. I wanted to post about my ratings in general though. Obviously going on 1 or even 10 people's reviews isn't exact because we all respond so differently. Especially when you have some strong products because many can have bad reactions to various ingredients. I think products like Excelsior and Re1gn are great for me but prime example of products that others could react badly to.

I also find a simple mark out of 10 can be very deceiving for some products. Especially products that are great at 1 thing. An example could be something great for pumps but lacks the mental benefits. There are some products I have used that may have not scored really high but could still be great products. Take something like Hydrapharm Hydrazine and it's amazing effects on focus. So many products give great energy and pumps but lack focus so you could add a cap on top with a great effect.

Another example is one of the new products I have been experimenting with recently. It called Utopia by De Novo. It's marketed as a focus and concentration enhancer and for that it is a 9.5/10. If you have some work to do on the comp take 1 scoop of that and you will be zoned in for a few hours. The same for fasted cardio in the morning it's ideal and just the right amount of caffeine (200mg) to give energy for a hard cardio session. However, taking it as a pre workout like many do I would give it a 7.5/10. It's good but contains no pump ingredients and for me it isn't strong enough energy wise. I even tried 2 scoops one day and it still lacks in regards to a full pre workout. But it's not meant to be a pre workout but just an example of a product that scores differently depending upon the training you are doing.
 

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Just completed all the final reviews for the older products I have used. I will make sure I keep it updated more regularly so nothing is lost a long the way. These are just my personal findings but everyone's response is different.

New additions include:

AllMax Nutrition - Impact Igniter
Muscletech Shatter, SX-7, Black Onyx
Goku Gains by Furious Formulations
Driven Sports Rize
Black Magic BZRK
5% Nutrition's Kill It Reloaded

Adjustments include:

Musclerage's Limitless


Imperial Nutrition Excelsior- where do I start. Over time this went from an 8.5/10 to a 10/10 and back and forth. It's probably the best preworkout I have ever used. However it would sometimes make me feel a bit off but the positives always outweighed the negatives. The energy, focus and euphoria are incredible. It also lasts very long and I would find myself being super productive long after training. As a result this stuff can't be used anywhere near bed time (literally 6 hours at a complete minimum). Many use 1-2 scoops but 1.5 is more than enough for me. The intense euphoria occurs at the higher doses but I don't get any negatives at 1 scoop. At 1 scoop I don't crash and never get over wired but still get great energy and productivity for hours after training. This product is really a 9.5/10 due to the potential negatives but it has to be number 1 so I am going with a 10/10.

GSN's NitroNOX Pro- This is amazing for energy, pumps, mood etc. It has everything and I recommend it to everyone. I would give it a 10/10. Unfortunately this product is no longer available which is a shame.

Kali Muscle's Hyphy Mud 2.0- I simply love this product. On paper it looks crap but it makes me feel like a machine. The energy and focus and overall feeling on this product is amazing. I want to give it a 10 but I guess it lacks in pumps so I will give it a 9.5/10.

Dymatize PRE- Fantastic product that provides clean energy and great pumps. It doesn't give the euphoria of Excelsior but it has no negative side effects for me. Ideal for someone who can't use strong stimulants such as DMAA and DMHA. It contains a good mix of caffeine (300mg) and teacrine (125mg). I like to use this during my breaks from the stronger stimulants. It deserves 9.5/10.

5% Nutrition 5150- This gets mixed reviews but I love it. It's not as strong as many may think but I get great energy, pumps and a euphoric feeling shortly after dosing. It's also one of the nicest pre workouts I have ever tasted (pomegranate and passion fruit flavours). Overall an easy 9/10.

Olympus Labs Re1gn- this is a great product. Amazing energy and good pumps. I had some amazing workouts using this and it was very useful on days I was demotivated. It contains some unusual ingredients and I respond great to them. However some (KannaEase for example) may make some people feel sick/off (you have been warned). I would give this an 9/10.

PRE JYM- This didn't impress me at first but the more I used it the more I liked it. I call it a complete pre workout and it performs in every sense (pumps, energy, focus, feel) and contains some useful ingredients. I would give it a 9/10.

Dynamik's Savage Roar- An excellent pre workout that delivers in every way. Overall a 9/10.

RedCon1 Total War- A fantastic product and I can tell most would love this. Great for energy, pumps and focus. You can't really go wrong and it's a 9/10.

BSN's Endo Rush- I used just a 1 serving sample for this product. It contains some unusual ingredients in the form of euphoria longana and lindera aggregata and these definitely add to it's mental effects. It contains 3g arginine and 3g citrulline malate. Many would state that is not enough but in my experience a very good mix and if they are high quality should produce excellent muscle pumps. Only 2g beta-alanine as CarnoSyn but it must be a very high purity as I felt it loads. This is why I always state ingredient lists are an indication as who knows what exactly is in a product and what is the purity of those ingredients. Great pumps and a nice boost in energy but great focus. The energy stayed and I felt great for hours after using. No jitters or over stimulanted feeling and lot's of clean energy. Something I noticed is the ingredient profile for my sample is different to the one posted online. The product I used does not contain yohimbe plus uses different doses of other ingredients. I would give this 9/10.

Ronnie Coleman Yeah Buddy- This to me is very similar to HYDE (on paper and in effect) but without any negatives. A very strong product I recommend to anyone who is fine with stimulants. Overall an easy 9/10.

5% Nutrition's Full as Fuck- Techinally not really a pre workout but many use it for that so it's worth mentioning. This contains no stimulants so if you want that it is ideal. I used this through the day (perhaps going the beach) or pre workout with caffeine. The pumps and vascularity from this are insane for me. It's much better used on an empty stomach and takes time to build up. An excellent stimulant free pre workout. You could also add a good stimulant like teacrine to it to make a fantastic complete preworkout too. For what it is I give it a 9/10.

Enhanced Athlete's RAGE-Berry blast flavour tastes like crap which for pre workout is often a good sign (not always). Lot's of clean energy and great pumps. It's nowhere as strong as some of the other products I have used but so much smoother. This is a really good product for me and gives the ideal energy and focus I need for the gym without over stimulating. I think the ratio of caffeine to DMHA is ideal. I find DMHA is much smoother than DMAA but obviously similar in effect. I would give this 9/10.

Muscletech Shatter, SX-7, Black Onyx- I was very impressed with this product. Although this is one product I am reviewing after a long time has passed so I am forgetting details. I have looked back at all my posts but there isn't much info on it. I recall feeling great using this and that the pumps were fantastic. It contains adenosine triphosphate as it's main pump enhancer and I have had great results using that in the past. It contains a few more uncommon ingredients and I definitely recommend it for something different. Harder to score but I will go with 8.5/10.

Musclemeds NO BULL- Great product. Amazing for pumps and good energy. Feel very different but in a good way. Some of the best pumps ever but they fade away after 2 weeks or so. Overall a 8.5/10.

Musclerage's Limitless- One of the nicest tasting pre workouts I have tried (Cotton Candy). Nice clean energy with no crash afterwards. It contains a nice mix of 2 caffeine sources, eria jarensis and alpha gpc. Considering the pump ingredients are standard it also performs very well in that area too. Although after using 2 tubs I have lowered it's score from 9/10 to 8.5/10.

Cobra Labs The Curse- Fantastic product. On paper this doesn't look good at all (very basic). I think it contains 125mg caffeine and 5mg olive leaf extract per scoop. 2 scoops of this should make you a machine in the gym. Definitely recommend if you want something simple but effective. Rating changes with scoops but overall a 8.5/10.

Ergogenix's Ergoblast- A great pre workout and felt very different to most. Nothing too powerful but the focus was great. The pumps were incredible on this product. Overall I give it a 8.5/10.

Blackstone Labs Dust-X- I only used a 1 serving sample but was very impressed. All in all great focus, energy and sense of well being. I can't comment on pumps as I used dbol/adrol that day as well :D I will say 8.5/10.

Muscle Chemistry's Pump Juice Extreme- Great product and provides clean energy and incredible pumps. If you need a pump product try this one (10/10 for pumps). Overall I rate it an 8.5/10.

BSN's NO-XPLODE XE EDGE- It contains a lot of useful ingredients. Whilst some may not be dosed high enough the final effect is a very good one. It performs in all areas and I felt great on it. This was just a sachet so could be better at a higher dose. Overall an 8.5/10.

AllMax Nutrition Impact Igniter- A very good product with an array of useful ingredients. It performs in all areas with no bad side effects. Fairly high stimulants but no crash and overall a solid 8.5/10.

Betancourt's D-Stunner Alpha- Great initial surge of energy that lowers quickly but still stays. This product simply makes me feel so euphoric. This is quite a rare thing with pre workouts. Many contain ingredients that should make you feel that way but often they don't. Only a handful of products have given me this feeling and this is one of them. Many should enjoy this product. A solid 8/10.

Nutrex Outlift Amped- On paper this looks fantastic but like the original it under performs. It is still very good but I expected more. It's very similar to the original outlift and performs in all areas. I should add the scooper is ridiculous. A perfect example of over designing. They have put a top on it so people can use for water bottles so I get that. But it's so impractical when trying to get powder into the scoop. Not a big deal but worth a mention. I give this 8/10.

Dorian Yates NOX Pump- Decent. I used this years ago and it was incredible. This time nowhere as good so the formula must be different (something got banned). Maybe better than decent as with an espresso I am an animal in the gym. This an a single espresso was a fav of mine for a while. With an extra kick this product can score a 9.5/10 but alone it's a solid 8/10.

Chaos and Pain’s Cannibal Ferox Amped- Probably the strongest pre workout I have ever taken in regards to stimulants. I really enjoyed this and if you like your stimulants definitely try it out. The one area this really stands out in is the added mental focus. Overall I give it an 8/10.

Nutrabio PRE- Very good product full of useful ingredients at effective doses. It's what I call a complete pre workout but it just misses that wow factor. I would give it an 8/10.

Run Everything Lab's EWP- This is a very good product but it's effectiveness lowered fairly quickly. It gives me a good boost in energy and pumps. Overall a 8/10.

ProSupps Mr Hyde Zero- Everyone rates this very highly but it's nowhere near my favourite products. It's strong and great for energy but this left me breathless and I have used stronger products without that side effect. Although it still scores fairly highly at 8/10.

Gaspari SP250- Very good. Better for energy and focus than pumps bit overall a great pre workout. It did make me crash a bit later on though. I would get the shakes too. Very strong even at just 1 scoop and it is not a 1 scoop formula so be careful when upping the dose. I would give it an 8/10.

Universal's Fury- A very basic but solid product. Contains everything you need in a pre workout though. Green apple flavour is the sweetest pre workout I have ever tried. I like that but many won't. Solid product and scores an 8/10.

Brawn Nutrition's Venom 2.0-Not for the stimulant sensitive. Although this didn't feel as strong as I intially thougth it would be. Overall a very good product and I rate it an 8/10.

SAN's Fierce ***ination- Nice energy, feel and good pumps. Doesn't have the wow factor but for most it would be a solid product to try. I give it an 8/10.

BSN's NO Xplode 3.0- Good product and well worth a try. Very long lasting energy with this one. Includes many useful ingredients. Do not shake this one and just stir it. Overall an 8/10.

Grenade's .50 Caliber- It comes in fireball flavour and this is unique to any bb products. Some will love the taste and many will hate it. I quite like it but chilli flavour is unusual. This delivers in all areas and most should enjoy it. Overall I give it an 8/10.

Black Magic Bzrk- This is a solid product but very standard in today's market. If you respond well to DMHA you should like this one as it contains 200mg amongst other stimulants. Great focus, energy and pumps. It also tastes great which is rare (peach ring flavour). I would give it an 8/10.

Hydrapharm Hydrazine- I only used a 2 cap sample serving for this product. At that dose it hit me much faster than what was listed on the label. It started with the most intense focus I had felt in a long time. However over a relatively short time it faded so overall I was disappointed. It's still very good and I am sure many will love it but after such an intense start it was disappointment. It's worth adding these caps should be great when added to other preworkouts to enhance focus. I would still give 2 caps 7.5/10.

Matrix Nutrition NO Pump Xtreme- I have knocked this down from a 9.5/10. When I used this again it's performance was completely different. The ingredient list is the same but my response completely different. It only contains 80mg caffeine per scoop but this is not a stimulant thing. Even the pump factor is a fraction of the past. I can speculate why but no point as the main factor is how it performs now. Good pumps and energy. 2 scoops is a 7.5/10.

Nutrex Hemo Rage The Underground- Very similar to Hemo Rage black and gives great energy. Nothing incredible but a solid product. I rate it 7.5/10.

GAT PMP- A similar but improved version of Nitraflex. This really grew on me but nothing spectacular. Overall a good product though and I give it a 7.5/10.

Nutrex Outlift- Very good product but not as good as the label suggests. It's similar to PRE JYM in many ways but not as effective. I would give it a 7.5/10.

Nutrex's Hemo Rage Black- This is all about energy and a decent product but not as good as many others I have tried. Although I feel really good on this one. Overall I give it a 7.5/10.

Lee Lebrada Super Charge Xtreme 4.0- Initially I was not impressed at all but it did improve over time. Not a cheap pre workout either. It's meant to have a lot of caffeine in but I feel a single espresso more than 1 scoop. Might be ok for some but definitely not for me. 1 scop would be 5/10 and 2 scoops 7.5/10.

Blackstone Labs Dust v2- Nice flow of energy and great pumps. Not as strong as I thought it would be. Overall a decent preworkout and 7.5/10.

Applied Nutrition ABE (All Black Everything)- this is a good product that performs well but nothing incredible. Good energy, focus and pumps with this one. The flavour is really different in the fact it is energy flavour so tastes just like a red bull. Although I notice they offer many flavours in this product. Nearly all the creatine is CM so obviously the cheaper source so pointless even putting in the 0.25g of other creatines. They do that so they can mention their tri-creatine blend. It contains 100mg teacrine so you really feel that. I used a sample and think if you dosed 1.5 scoops this could be really good. For 1 serving I would give it 7.5/10.

Beast Yourself Raging Bull- Very good. On paper it is incredible but doesn't live on to that. Really good pumps and combined with an espresso it comes alive even more. I would give it a 7.5/10.

PRE-KAGED by Kaged Muscle- An excellent ingredient list and as a result a very expensive pre workout. Similar to PRE JYM in many ways. Overall a good product but doesn't have the wow factor. Overall I give it an 7.5/10.

APS Nutrition Mesomorph- This is literally the highest rated preworkout on the forums. I was very disappointed with it. Some people just don't respond to DMAA like others. Although for me there is more to it than that. Mesomorph is obviously strong but I don't feel it in a good way. It can make me a bit out of breath but I don't feel insane focus etc. It's not bad but I just don't feel great on it and I have tried 1/2 of a scoop to 1.5 scoops. I also seem to crash from it and many times would feel very tired after the gym. I would give it 7.5/10.

Dynamik's Gamma Ray- This is more of a compliment product in my eyes. It's the pump product for Savage Roar. If you are judging it solely it's nothing spectacular but when added to a traditonal pre workout it can be really special. Not as effective as Full as Fuck but a very good product. Judging it solely as a pump product I would give it a 7.5/10.

DS (Driven Sports) Frenzy- much better than I thought it would be from reading the label. Great energy and focus and no crash afterwards. I didn't notice much for the pumps on this one (energy formula) but they are usually good anyway (next to no pump ingredients and inadequate doses). The flavour was really unusual as it was purposely very fizzy (orange pop). They recommend 1-2 servings so this could get better if dosed higher. For 1 serving I give 7/10.

USN 3XT Pump- The only thing this does for pumps is the name of the product. It's all energy and very good at that. Some may like this but I wouldn't run out to buy it. Overall a 7/10.

5% Nutrition's Kill It Reloaded- A very well rounded product but missing the wow factor. Performs in all areas but doesn't stand out in anyway. Many ingredients could be dosed higher and that would have given it a much higher score. Many seem to really like it but I much preferred their 5150 product. Overall a decent 7/10.

MHP's Reckless- This was a 2 serving sachet so my review is limited to just 1 usage. The initial energy surge was great but it faded really quickly and overall this product is lacking. I can imagine 1 serving would be a waste for me. 2 servings scores a 7/10.

Goku Gains by Furious Formulations- As I always post tolerance to stimulants is a massive factor. For someone used to DMHA and other stronger stimulants this product is very standard. However, after a long break or if new to stronger stimulants this could be great for you. Although some of it's ingredients need to be dosed higher for optimal results. I also had issues with my blood glucose with this product and it made me go hypo a few times. In today's market there are many better products. As a result I give this 7/10.

Driven Sports Rize- This product is harder to score as it hit me very differently each day. With the stronger stimulants your recent food intake becomes a much bigger factor in regards to effecting performance and side effects. If I didn't have a large meal closer to training with this product I would often crash very hard from it. Although it would always hit me fast and felt great but that feeling would quickly decline. As a result I don't recommend it as there are many better alternatives. Although 1 scoop (tub says 1-2 scoops) with added caffeine makes a good combination. It still get's a score of 7/10.

Universal's Shock Therapy- I have lowered this down after using the full tub. I would recommend this one for beginners. Performs in all areas but I need to use 2 scoops and at that dose rate it 6.5/10.

Scivation Quake 10.0- What a disappointment. Looks really good on paper but doesn't perform. The pumps are good but no real energy or focus for me. Overall a 6.5/10.

5% Nutrition KILL IT- This one I only tried a sample so take this review with a pinch of salt. I wasn't impressed and expected/hoped for better as I like 5%. Didn't notice too much but again only a sample. Overall a 6/10 but with more scoops could be much better.

Dymatize Nutrition's M.P.ACT Energy Ignitor- a pretty standard product and hits you fairly strong but I didn't like the feel from it. There are much better products on the market but still a 6/10.

GAT Nitraflex- Not impressed at all. I just had a 2 weeks break from caffeine too. Need to give it another week but so far doesn't do much. It's meant to have 325mg caffeine and 1.5g beta alanine per scoop but I don't feel either. Taste means nothing for pre workout's but I will say the pina colada is nice. I would give it a 5/10.

MAN Sports NOOPump- This is another stimulant free pre workout. I was disappointed using this and it's nowhere as effective as Full as Fuck. It's not a bad product but there are much better out there. Overall I rate it a 5/10.

Warrior Rage- Marketed as one of the strongest pre workouts but didn't do much. I would not recommend it. I give it a 3/10

Condemned Labz Convict- On paper this looks ideal for me but it was terrible for me. I always felt out of breath on it even with 1 scoop. However it didn't feel strong nor did it give the focus and energy other product's do. It actually worsens my workouts which is strange for a pre workout. Maybe I should have tried a very small serving for a little booster but I gave my tub away. Most seem to love it though and it's rated very highly. For me it has to be a 1/10.

MRI Black Powder- Crap. Not even worth writing more about. How can you fuck up a pre workout so much. 2 pro plus would be better. Rating is the worst in my list and 1/1.
 

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After doing the above over the next few days I can now go over the more recent products I have used:

Innovapharm MVP 2.0 (tub)
Strom Sports Stimumax Black Edition (tub)
Alpha Lion Komodo Pump (tub)
De Novo Utopia (tub)
Olympus Labs I Am Suprem3 (tub)
Alpha Lion Super Human (sample)

I also have just received 3 new products which are:

Alpha Lion Free*** Juice/Superhuman Supreme (tub)
Chaos Crew StimHead (tub)
Controlled Labs Orange Brainwash (tub)

They also sent me samples of more Utopia and 2 packs of HR Labs Defib. The HR Labs Defib samples are 2 servings each (full dose) and I tried one tonight. Here is the ingredient panel:

 

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I wanted to highlight a new product that has just come out which has really caught my eye. Evogen have always done what I consider poorly forumlated/dosed products and at high prices. It always put me off but I do like the look of their brand new preworkout. I emailed the company but have not heard from them so I may have to wait for one of their European resellers to get it in stock.

EVP EXTREME N.O.

 

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I wanted to highlight a new product that has just come out which has really caught my eye. Evogen have always done what I consider poorly forumlated/dosed products and at high prices. It always put me off but I do like the look of their brand new preworkout. I emailed the company but have not heard from them so I may have to wait for one of their European resellers to get it in stock.

EVP EXTREME N.O.


This one does look good. Arginine nitrate is something I don't see much. Coconut water powder is great for hydration. Only issue is it's $50 for 20 servings.
 

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This one does look good. Arginine nitrate is something I don't see much. Coconut water powder is great for hydration. Only issue is it's $50 for 20 servings.

Yes it's expensive but put together very well. I am a fan of arginine anyway so the nitrate version will be gtg. I am also a fan of coconut powder for hydration so it definitely ticks all the boxes for me. I would also like to use a little creatine and this contains 2.5g per scoop. I have always responded well to yohimbe as well so when I saw that I thought it complete things very well. All in all it definitely caught my eye as it contains a lot of things I like and respond well to. I even like the way the caffeine is put together (300mg from green coffee bean etc). I will see if I can get it and if so I will order 1 tub. I want to try out their new EAA's as well.
 

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I will run through some of the recent products I have used with some brief thoughts for now.

Innovapharm MVP 2.0 (tub)- For the average preworkout user you can't really get better than this. Ticks all the boxes. Great list of ingredients and doses. Very smooth and contains 350mg caffeine and 100mg Eria Jarensis so it's not weak but for me I expected it to feel stronger. I am thinking 8/10 but I need to use it more before deciding what rating it gets. This may not be anywhere near 10/10 for me but I think for the standard user this is a fantastic product.

Strom Sports Stimumax Black Edition (tub)- This is hard to score as it can hit me so differently each time. It has made me feel hypo a few times which is common with stronger stimulants. It lacks something to help balance out the stronger fast acting stimulants (as do most stimulant preworkouts). Although it doesn't even feel overly strong to me in the gym but I still get the side effects. Nevertheless, I would recommend using this after eating a balanced meal. I usually add in about 3 salted rice cakes just before using stims such as DMHA just as a precaution. It's still very good so it's gonna be around 8/10.

Alpha Lion Komodo Pump (tub)- This is a stimulant free product but with a difference. Reason being they include some cognitive enhancers in the form of Lion's Mane, Alpha GPC and Huperzine A. So you will feel a little boost in mental clarity/sharpness. It also has 8g citrulline malate, 3g glycerpump, 150mg s7 etc. All in all a great non stimulant product that could be used alone or with a product containing stimulants. I am thinking 8.5-9/10.

De Novo Utopia (tub)- this is a great product. It would be unfair to score this as a pre workout. It's more a focus and concentration enhancer and I bought it mainly for work. It's ingredients are very simple but put together very smartly. It does contain 200mg caffeine so it could be used as a preworkout stimulant but I find it better for other things. If you ever have a lot of work to do or even some morning fasted cardio this is ideal. For what it is I give it a 9/10. My gf also loves this stuff as well.

Olympus Labs I Am Suprem3 (tub)- This is basically just like Re1gn but even better. Probably my favourite product I have used recently. I love this stuff and it has helped me through many great workouts. Even though it contains a variety of strong stimulants it doesn't make me crash etc. It contains some very good ingredients including l-citrulline, pomegranite extract, vaso6, caffeine, julgans regia (dmha), eria jarensis and teacrine. The issue with this is the same as Re1gn and it contains some ingredients I find simply don't respond well in certain people. The main one being KannaEase. However my body must love the stuff as I think it's a great compliment to the strong stimulants. I need to run it a few more times but probably 9-9.5/10.

HR Labs Defib (sample)- I used a 2 serving sample so the full dose. On paper it looks amazing and contains everything you need and more. It was good but does not live up to the ingredient panel which is very common with preworkout supplements. I was expecting much more from 400mg caffeine, 200mg dynamine and 500mg citicoline. That is a great trio of ingredients at decent doses but I was underwhelmed. Don't get me wrong this still felt very good but I expected it to be much better. I need to try the other sample to give it a fairer review but I am thinking 7.5-8/10.

Chaos Crew StimHead (tub)- I used this yesterday for the 1st time. Apart from some beta alanine and taurine this is pretty much all stimulants. It includes an array of stimulants and some unusual ones (900mg in total). I was expecting this to be much stronger but it felt very smooth. I have only tried it once so I need to use it a few more times to gain a better understanding of it. It felt good but I wasn't overly impressed but I will see how it feels after a few more uses. No score for this one yet.

Alpha Lion Super Human (sample)- I tried a 1 serving sample just once and it felt great. On the day maybe a 9/10 but it was just 1 time and I will probably leave it off my list until I try it again.

Alpha Lion Free*** Juice/Superhuman Supreme (tub)- Now this is the new and improved version of the above so I was expecting it to be great. I used it for the first time today and it was good but I expected more. The ingredient panel for this is fantastic so I was expecting a 9.5+/10. I will use it a few more times and see how it goes. I should add it tastes really good. It's patriotic pineapple flavour which is white powder with red and blue bits so it definitely looks the part.

Controlled Labs Orange Brainwash (tub)- I have yet to use this but plan to for cardio or work.
 

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I used Free*** Juice tonight for the 2nd time. It got me through a brutal session. A funny side effect is what it does to you downstairs. I got in the shower and it was literally less than half it's normal size :p Many have mentioned this before in regards to strong stimulants especially 2-aminoisoheptane (DMHA). Free*** Juice contains 200mg 2-aminoisoheptane, 300mg caffeine anhydrous, 200mg eria jarensis, 100mg dicaffeine malate and 75mg n-methyltyramine HCL (hordenine). Besides that the energy and pumps were gtg. It's not as good as I thought it would be but still up there with some of the better ones I have used. Not sure yet but I am thinking 8.5/10. Maybe it will get bumped up to 9/10 just not too sure yet.

Yesterday I used Olympus Labs I Am Suprem3 again. I have nearly used the entire tub so I have a good understanding of it. It's very similar to Re1gn and I marked that 9/10. I wasn't sure about Re1gn at first and I knocked it's rating up simply due to how good it could be at times. I think this is slightly better but I will still give it a 9/10. I don't mark things like 9.2 for example but when I do my list I try to put my favs higher up. So I currently have 8 products scored at 9/10 but the highest placed ones I rate slightly better for reference.

Over the next week I will probably rotate between Free*** Juice and Stim Head. I also have 1 sample of HR Labs Defib to try again. After that I think I will have a break from strong stimulants. In that time I will do no caffeine on some days and perhaps try Controlled Labs Orange Brainwash if I ever need a boost pre cardio/workout. Here is the ingredient panel for CL's Brainwash...