My Thoughts on HGH...

[Viking]

Makes you wonder what Bader Boodai in Kuwait's Oxygen Gym has the Camel Crew using in regards to HGH (And other chemicals as well)!

 

[AGGRO]

Makes you wonder what Bader Boodai in Kuwait's Oxygen Gym has the Camel Crew using in regards to HGH (And other chemicals as well)!

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. All those Middle Eastern guys are freaky big. Weights are the same wherever you go, but drugs on the other hand...

 

[odin]

LOL That is the point odin. I think he doesn't know either. Racepiks is just saying to think different then the 1000 people. Try using your own mind instead of letting other people tell you what to think,

Just playing devil's advocate, my friend. I enjoy these kinds of discussions, although I may not totally accept all the ideas being expressed, it does make you think about all the possibilities.

 

[AGGRO]

Yes, I know what you mean. Talk about Generic being equal or better than Pharma is a difficult concept to get my arms around. I guess it's from me being "Old School", but test results are test results. On the other hand some thinks make perfect sense. Like HGH causing insulin sensitivity issues because of the elevated IGF-1 levels. All very interesting.

 

[Victory]

I have a question for you Race.

I followed your testing over on PM. I thought it was a very effective way to keep up with who had good HGH. Why did you stop?

 

[AGGRO]

I think they weeded out all the bad product. It would be good to see it again. There are a lot of newbie Sponsors who were not around for the first go-around of testing. I bet he would find more now!

 

[MR. BMJ]

I think the only difference between Pharma and generics is the amount of impurities. The slightly higher impurities give more water retention and BP issues (ie blacks vs grays (or pharma), despite both being real). We have blood work and testing to show that the generics are real, but I think the difference is that, for example, when one is prepping for a contest, those impurities that produce higher water retention are probably not ideal that last month if one is having issues shedding that last bit of water. In this case, they may need to either quit a few weeks earlier, or switch to a HGH with less impurities. When generics were not in the picture, you had competitors swear up and down that one pharm grade HGH was better than another, despite all being real. So the fact that there is discrepancy in the generics vs pharm does not surprise me. MD has stated similar to what I stated above, in regards to the bloat from the generics, despite liking them himself. I think you take away the bloat and you have similar effects as the pharm grade with "less sides" and the fat burning and positive effects are not masked.

 

[Racepicks]

Well, that is probably the most logical comment posted in this thread to date. Thanks Mr. BMJ.

To you and the other more advanced members. Do you experience any noticeable results from HGH other than the fat loss? it has been written many times about people noticing a "3D" type of look while using HGH. Maybe fuller muscle bodies? So, other than the fat loss, what other noticeable effects are achieved with HGH use?

 

[Racepicks]

I think they weeded out all the bad product. It would be good to see it again. There are a lot of newbie Sponsors who were not around for the first go-around of testing. I bet he would find more now!

I have a question for you Race.

I followed your testing over on PM. I thought it was a very effective way to keep up with who had good HGH. Why did you stop?

Well, AGGRO is correct. We did feel like we saw a significant improvement in the quality of HGH products available on ProMuscle, so we had to decide whether "The ends justified the means". Not to mention that the entire process is expensive and time consuming.

That being said, I am thinking about serum testing, maybe a half dozen or so, of the new HGH Sponsors to make certain that their products are up to our standards.

 

[Victory]

That would be awesome race. How would you do it, asking for donations like you do on the lab testing?

 

[Racepicks]

That would be awesome race. How would you do it, asking for donations like you do on the lab testing?

To be honest, I believe that the members are already being asked for donations, and I would rather have them continue to donate to the Lab Testing Project.

I am a firm believer in that the sponsors have very little control over their HGH suppliers. They purchase X amount of HGH at a set price and take delivery without knowing if it is bunk.

With that being said, I would use the same process I used at ProMuscle. The Sponsor sends a kit, and I test.

 

[mytreefiddy]

Ive been running TP Blacks for quite some time.... just got my Pro card and ran his Blacks THEE WHOLE WAY and never pulled it out... go look at my pics in the other thread.... dry as shit.... 2.5ius... sold my Genos that I planned on using onmy run for my card but sold em cuz figured "if it aint broke, don't fix it"... not only that.... I look YOUNGER now than I did after doing my 1st show in 2014... I KNOW HGH works..... period.

Oh... AND got 2nd Place in my Pro debut at the Tampa Pro this past weekend...was FULL THEE WHOLE WAY... once my competing days are behind me its TRT Test and 2ius til I die....

 

[odin]

Hey Tree. sorry for not being on top of shit. What class were you in? You look amazing!

 

[Viking]

I believe it was Physique. Whatever, he was a beast!

 

[Racepicks]

Funny, there are a million douche bags on all these forums who don't have Pro Cards and are assholes. Mytreefitty has always been one of my "Friends" on the boards. He will always be a humble individual! I wish him all the luck in the world!

 

[mytreefiddy]

Funny, there are a million douche bags on all these forums who don't have Pro Cards and are assholes. Mytreefitty has always been one of my "Friends" on the boards. He will always be a humble individual! I wish him all the luck in the world!

Thank you hermano..... really appreciate that... I'm more than happy to share my experiences and am willing to help anyone seeking on how to improve... I'll be starting a "Road to my Pro Card" thread once my feet are back on the ground...l these past 4 weeks have been "life changing".. lots going on... but I'm here to stay brothers....

thanks again my friend..

 

[Racepicks]

I think the only difference between Pharma and generics is the amount of impurities. The slightly higher impurities give more water retention and BP issues (ie blacks vs grays (or pharma), despite both being real). We have blood work and testing to show that the generics are real, but I think the difference is that, for example, when one is prepping for a contest, those impurities that produce higher water retention are probably not ideal that last month if one is having issues shedding that last bit of water. In this case, they may need to either quit a few weeks earlier, or switch to a HGH with less impurities. When generics were not in the picture, you had competitors swear up and down that one pharm grade HGH was better than another, despite all being real. So the fact that there is discrepancy in the generics vs pharm does not surprise me. MD has stated similar to what I stated above, in regards to the bloat from the generics, despite liking them himself. I think you take away the bloat and you have similar effects as the pharm grade with "less sides" and the fat burning and positive effects are not masked.

I'm going to get Jano over here to expand on Mr. BMJ's post. What better insight than the Lab doing the testing? The question I will ask him is quite simply, What does he think is the difference between the Pharma and Generic samples we have sent him. In his mind, is Pharma better than Chinese Generic.

 

[mytreefiddy]

I'm going to get Jano over here to expand on Mr. BMJ's post. What better insight than the Lab doing the testing? The question I will ask him is quite simply, What does he think is the difference between the Pharma and Generic samples we have sent him. In his mind, is Pharma better than Chinese Generic.

Better??...probably.... To warrant the difference in cost?? I don't think so...

 

[janoshik]

I'm going to get Jano over here to expand on Mr. BMJ's post. What better insight than the Lab doing the testing? The question I will ask him is quite simply, What does he think is the difference between the Pharma and Generic samples we have sent him. In his mind, is Pharma better than Chinese Generic.

Well, it was clearly obvious to me which samples were actual pharma and which were not - the dimer content was by far the lowest with pharma Serostims.

Also, should it be believed that Riptropins and Grey Tops are (were) indeed manufactured in Chinese pharma factory then it puts the chinese pharma at the pretty much same level of dimer - 0.7%, which seems to be pretty consistent also with other samples I had tested over the time.


With generics the dimer content is all over the place - up to 50 times that of Sero.



What might be interesting to everybody here - I've had the pleasure of testing the latest Chinese Pharma and Generic products with improved manufacture process... Long story short, the generics are up on par with Seros and Chinese Pharma beats them!

I, of course, don't know how old were the Seros that were sent to me, but I don't think that plays a role.

 

[mytreefiddy]

What might be interesting to everybody here - I've had the pleasure of testing the latest Chinese Pharma and Generic products with improved manufacture process... Long story short, the generics are up on par with Seros and Chinese Pharma beats them!

That's all I needed to know.....:headbang: