My Thoughts on HGH...

[ProFIT]

I love threads like these. Make for great discussions:goodnews:

 

[Racepicks]

This is getting good
why do some say not to take the growth every day?
I wonder what the optimal time would be to get the sugars into the musle.
Why once I got older I have a hard time keeping water in my muscle bellies-
Do these have some thing to do with low gh?
Hope I didn't get off the topic

I truly believe people will have their own preference on when and how much to inject. Then they will try to come up with reasons (or studies, or Bro-science, etc.) to back their decision. I was guilty of the same thing when I began using HGH years ago. After spending over $400 dollars for 3 kits, I wanted to take the least amount I could get away with to make it last. I settled on 4iu's per day. As I mentioned previously, my coach at the time was Alex Azarian (RIP), who advised me to raise my dose to 6iu's per day for maximum results.

I was listening to a Podcast recently over on Advices Radio called Blood, Sweat & Gear. It features Scott McNally, Skip Hill and someone who calls himself S2H (apparently his handle on a number of forums). It was another of those discussions about timing of HGH injections. S2H mentioned a number of times that he preferred EOD (every other day) injections. Aside from his feeling that it would help avoid the potential side effects of HGH, his argument was "I don't know, I just think it just works better for me". So.....

My opinion is this. I do not ever remember seeing any package inserts for Pharma HGH advising people to inject EOD. I have not heard of one instance where a Dr. prescribing HGH to a patient has recommended EOD injections. So, where do these things come from?

I usually subscribe to the "Just Get It In Ya" theory. Whether you are talking about AAS, food, even training. Just Do IT! Do you really believe you will get more of a benefit injecting Test E right before training? (of course, maybe you will if we were talking TNE, but that is a different discussion.) As far as HGH is concerned, I'm not sure if it is true. I can be open to the possibility that injecting 2iu's an hour before training and 2iu's an hour after training may yield some benefit. Adding your 2iu's first thing in the morning pre-cardio, now we may be on to something. I believe the half-life of HGH is 4 hours. So, would that make it reasonable to inject 2iu's every 4 hours? Or is it more realistic to inject the entire 12iu's once per day to mimic the bodies natural pulse? See where I'm going with this?

At the end of the day, people will choose what they want to believe, then they will find reasons for their decisions!

 

[Racepicks]

There is much fanfare over MK-677 lately. I will not say that these are baseless claims. The goal of injecting MK-677 is to raise IGF-1 levels in the body. I believe it was a year ago that I volunteered to test MK-677 for a Sponsor over on ProMuscle. I forgot who the Sponsor was, but I remember I was talking to the Sponsor Rep, Cauthen. I explained I wanted to raise my IGF-1 level as high as I could using MK-677. We agreed I would use this protocol:

8:00am - 200mcg. GHRP-6
1:00pm - 200 mcg. GHRP-6
20mg. CJ-1295 W/DAC
10:00pm - 50mg. MK677

I was always hungry as a bear ALL day, thanks to the GHRP-6. The lethargy was not an issue because I was injecting the MK-677 before bed. BUT.................This protocol, and I don't remember what my IGF-1 level were after 4 weeks on this protocol (it is posted on ProMuscle, I just do not have the time to look), but I do remember it was NO HIGHER than injecting 4iu's of HGH every day for 4 weeks. Not what many want to hear, but I'm not sure that these peptides are worth the money or effort. I trust Cauthen, so I really believe he thought these tests would be awesome. Look, who knows, maybe I will take the time to test MK677 again.

 

[Dusty Ray]

There is much fanfare over MK-677 lately. I will not say that these are baseless claims. The goal of injecting MK-677 is to raise IGF-1 levels in the body. I believe it was a year ago that I volunteered to test MK-677 for a Sponsor over on ProMuscle. I forgot who the Sponsor was, but I remember I was talking to the Sponsor Rep, Cauthen. I explained I wanted to raise my IGF-1 level as high as I could using MK-677. We agreed I would use this protocol:

8:00am - 200mcg. GHRP-6
1:00pm - 200 mcg. GHRP-6
20mg. CJ-1295 W/DAC
10:00pm - 50mg. MK677

I was always hungry as a bear ALL day, thanks to the GHRP-6. The lethargy was not an issue because I was injecting the MK-677 before bed. BUT.................This protocol, and I don't remember what my IGF-1 level were after 4 weeks on this protocol (it is posted on ProMuscle, I just do not have the time to look), but I do remember it was NO HIGHER than injecting 4iu's of HGH every day for 4 weeks. Not what many want to hear, but I'm not sure that these peptides are worth the money or effort. I trust Cauthen, so I really believe he thought these tests would be awesome. Look, who knows, maybe I will take the time to test MK677 again.

You can inject Mk677?I thought it was for oral use only.Very interesting,Thank you.

 

[Racepicks]

I think a better description would have been to say, I injected 2cc's directly into my mouth using a 3cc syringe, minus the pin of course!

 

[AnaSCI]

I resized your image.

 

[Dusty Ray]

I think a better description would have been to say, I injected 2cc's directly into my mouth using a 3cc syringe, minus the pin of course!

Oh okay I spent hours last night trying to figure out injectable MK677,well needless to say oral is the route.Thanks for clearing that up buddy I was dumbfounded big time lol.

 

[Racepicks]

As hard as it is to swallow, I could never imagine the pain that would result from injecting!

 

[buck1973]

There is much fanfare over MK-677 lately. I will not say that these are baseless claims. The goal of injecting MK-677 is to raise IGF-1 levels in the body. I believe it was a year ago that I volunteered to test MK-677 for a Sponsor over on ProMuscle. I forgot who the Sponsor was, but I remember I was talking to the Sponsor Rep, Cauthen. I explained I wanted to raise my IGF-1 level as high as I could using MK-677. We agreed I would use this protocol:

8:00am - 200mcg. GHRP-6
1:00pm - 200 mcg. GHRP-6
20mg. CJ-1295 W/DAC
10:00pm - 50mg. MK677

I was always hungry as a bear ALL day, thanks to the GHRP-6. The lethargy was not an issue because I was injecting the MK-677 before bed. BUT.................This protocol, and I don't remember what my IGF-1 level were after 4 weeks on this protocol (it is posted on ProMuscle, I just do not have the time to look), but I do remember it was NO HIGHER than injecting 4iu's of HGH every day for 4 weeks. Not what many want to hear, but I'm not sure that these peptides are worth the money or effort. I trust Cauthen, so I really believe he thought these tests would be awesome. Look, who knows, maybe I will take the time to test MK677 again.

The Peps are certainly another way to raise IGF-1 levels. at the time of yr tests the 4IU P/d ya did for comparison got ya a higher score then the peptide cocktail combination.
I did a test recently werre I added the Peps along with the HGH and scores jumped again.
So they are def a option to elevating IGF-1 Levels.
I believe they come with more sides and def more hassles, The HGH i do 1 time P/d if I recall the peps are many times and a few dif things. Plus the MK- 677 has evolved into a better tasting product the last time out for me.
It has been described back than by Mr. RP himself as Tastes worse than Diesel Fuel Buck how do ya not spit that shit?

 

[IRONFIST]

there is great info in this thread! thanks for taking the time to share this RP!

 

[Racepicks]

The Peps are certainly another way to raise IGF-1 levels. at the time of yr tests the 4IU P/d ya did for comparison got ya a higher score then the peptide cocktail combination.
I did a test recently werre I added the Peps along with the HGH and scores jumped again.
So they are def a option to elevating IGF-1 Levels.
I believe they come with more sides and def more hassles, The HGH i do 1 time P/d if I recall the peps are many times and a few dif things. Plus the MK- 677 has evolved into a better tasting product the last time out for me.
It has been described back than by Mr. RP himself as Tastes worse than Diesel Fuel Buck how do ya not spit that shit?

Yeah Buck! I wonder if the MK with the HGH somehow has a synergistic effect when used together. I would like to explore that possibility further

 

[buck1973]

Us Old Dudes seem like we no longer convert like we once use to. so the 100 mg/mL per IU of HGH rule for us is not in the picture.
I pulled these tests I did a little while ago and it does improve IGF-1 scores substantially.
Now this is coming from a guy that a good score on HGH is 300.
run it through one of these younger Livers and scores will have to b higher.





9/30/16 - 293ng/mL 56 days on HGH 5iu's P/D
10/8/16 - 308ng/mL 64 days on HGH 5iu's P/D
10/14/16 - 286ng/mL 72 days on HGH 5iu's P/D + 100Mics. IGF-1 Lr3 P/D 1 week
10/21/16 - 260ng/mL 79 days on HGH 5iu's P/D + 100Mics. IGF-1 Lr3 2 weeks
10/29/16 - 352ng/mL 87 days on HGH 5iu's P/D +100Mics. IGF-1 Lr3 + 2 Migs cjc1295 w/dac P/D, 300 Mics GHRP 6 2X P/D, and 25 Mgs. MK-677 2 X P/D.
11/4/16 - 363ng/mL 94 days on HGH 5iu's P/D +100Mics. IGF-1 Lr3 + 2 Migs cjc1295 w/dac P/D, 300 Mics GHRP 6 2X P/D, and 25 Mgs. MK-677 2 X P/D.

 

[Racepicks]

I want to invite anyone who has a contrary opinion to anything I have posted to go ahead and question, and counter with opposing viewpoints. I am posting "My Thoughts", which may be completely wrong. Don't think I am posting because I know what the hell I'm talking about!! I have invited Scott Stevenson (Homonunculus) to come by and rip into me if I'm wrong. If you are not familiar with Scott, you have been living under a rock! He is one of the most respected people in our community (google FORTITUDE TRAINING). He is a wealth of knowledge and can only contribute to the discussion. I also see IFBB Pro b-boy in here. I may have unintentionally used his "My Thoughts"! Sorry Brad. He is also one of the most knowledgeable, and willing to share that knowledge with us all. Come in b-boy, I know you want to comment!

 

[Dusty Ray]

I want to invite anyone who has a contrary opinion to anything I have posted to go ahead and question, and counter with opposing viewpoints. I am posting "My Thoughts", which may be completely wrong. Don't think I am posting because I know what the hell I'm talking about!! I have invited Scott Stevenson (Homonunculus) to come by and rip into me if I'm wrong. If you are not familiar with Scott, you have been living under a rock! He is one of the most respected people in our community (google FORTITUDE TRAINING). He is a wealth of knowledge and can only contribute to the discussion. I also see IFBB Pro b-boy in here. I may have unintentionally used his "My Thoughts"! Sorry Brad. He is also one of the most knowledgeable, and willing to share that knowledge with us all. Come in b-boy, I know you want to comment!

I don't know a lot about hgh just a lot of basics and her bro science.This thread gives everyone a chance to really learn about hgh.Yes I started running hgh recently and this thread has gave me a ton of insight.Great thread and please keep it going strong.

 

[muj]

I used to think hgh was the holy grail or the "secret" but after my experience with it which have all been on pharma and as high as 10 iu ed and after talking to a few knowledgeable people I'm really not so sure anymore if it is all that at least as far as growth/gains are concerned. I got good effects from it don't get me wrong, I was lean on it, recovery was enhanced etc but I expected to "blow up" more on it. Got a shit load of water retention though. I agree with racepicks in terms of that I didn't get much more from 10 iu than what I did with 5. I really don't think I will be running more than 6 iu again I think that is plenty for most people here.

There really is not much data or literature out there supporting it's effects on anabolism. I know that it's hard to find studies which are bodybuilding focused but still. I can post some stuff from a couple of very knowledgeable guys in the medical industry who know a lot about bodybuilding too regarding hgh if anyone is interested. They're not bad reads. Even if I don't completely agree with everything on them

 

[ProFIT]

I have used gh many times over the years. My first experience with it .. The first time I used 4ius a month for 8 months (Leo's blue tops). At about month 5-6 I saw changes that almost seemed like they came on over night?? I had tons of energy while using it, after going through the wrist and arm numbness the first month or two. I to though it was the holy grail .. I was eating what I wanted and as long as I kept training high nothing but positive seemed to stick.:muscles:

Ran out at around 8 months. Quick rebound effect because my diet was far from on point for all those months. But still looked pretty good.:sSig_DOH:

Couldn't afford any for a year or two after that. But then and up to now gh has really dropped in price so most of us can afford to run it on and off throughout the year. But I will say that it has never worked for me the way it did that first time, doesn't matter what my diet and training look like, or brand I've used or whether it was pharm or ugl.:sAng_explosive:

 

[Racepicks]

I have used gh many times over the years. My first experience with it .. The first time I used 4ius a month for 8 months (Leo's blue tops). At about month 5-6 I saw changes that almost seemed like they came on over night?? I had tons of energy while using it, after going through the wrist and arm numbness the first month or two. I to though it was the holy grail .. I was eating what I wanted and as long as I kept training high nothing but positive seemed to stick.:muscles:

Ran out at around 8 months. Quick rebound effect because my diet was far from on point for all those months. But still looked pretty good.:sSig_DOH:

Couldn't afford any for a year or two after that. But then and up to now gh has really dropped in price so most of us can afford to run it on and off throughout the year. But I will say that it has never worked for me the way it did that first time, doesn't matter what my diet and training look like, or brand I've used or whether it was pharm or ugl.:sAng_explosive:

LOL, I remember my first run on HGH was with TP's Riptropin. I never experienced the same results since. I never worked out so intensely and followed a strict diet, and performed daily fasted cardio either, so.........

Another thought

HGH is the most over-rated PED EVER! If I hear one more person say they can tell it is working because their fingernails are growing super fast, they are experiencing a deeper sleep, or their carpal tunnel is so bad they can barely type, I'm gonna...well, you get it!

If HGH is released in Pre-pubescent kids in miniscule amounts, and they grow, why with us injecting 200 times that amount and we cannot be HUGE??? Huh???? Why does it take months for us to begin to notice ANY benefits, if any? We should be seeing that proverbial "3-D Effect" almost immediately!

Another thing....If you have a super fast metabolism, you can eat what you want and be lean, HGH or not. If you are a fat fuck, inject 10iu's of HGH every day while sitting on the couch eating ice cream watching Dog the Bounty Hunter reruns, then after 6 months. hit me up and tell me how lean you are!

Watch the Juan Morel video on YouTube where he is eating 20,000 calories a day!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmj7HDHSe10

The reason he can get away with that is because he followed GH-15's protocol of injecting 15iu's/Day and eating pineapple wedges....Get the fuck out!!! He can do it because his metabolism is super human! I can't even imagine eating 20,000 calories in a day without puking!!!

I'm not saying HGH is not good, or not worth the time, money and effort. Far from it. But I too have questions I would like to have an answer to:

1) Does HGH use in higher doses result in hyperplasia?

2) Does HGH have any benefit to strength or Hypertrophy?

3) Are their any "Real" dangerous side-effects with reasonable doses of HGH?

In his book, "Bases Loaded", Kirk Radomski said that HGH has no effect on strength. He sold HGH to a bunch of New York Mets baseball players back in the early 2000's. He said the major benefit of HGH was recovery from injury. In our world, that would translate to recovery. So....you could potentially workout more intensely, more often, which to me means more gains!!!

I hope this get's y'all thinking and Y'all come back with your own thoughts! We all learn from each other!

 

[muj]

LOL, I remember my first run on HGH was with TP's Riptropin. I never experienced the same results since. I never worked out so intensely and followed a strict diet, and performed daily fasted cardio either, so.........

Another thought

HGH is the most over-rated PED EVER! If I hear one more person say they can tell it is working because their fingernails are growing super fast, they are experiencing a deeper sleep, or their carpal tunnel is so bad they can barely type, I'm gonna...well, you get it!

If HGH is released in Pre-pubescent kids in miniscule amounts, and they grow, why with us injecting 200 times that amount and we cannot be HUGE??? Huh???? Why does it take months for us to begin to notice ANY benefits, if any? We should be seeing that proverbial "3-D Effect" almost immediately!

Another thing....If you have a super fast metabolism, you can eat what you want and be lean, HGH or not. If you are a fat fuck, inject 10iu's of HGH every day while sitting on the couch eating ice cream watching Dog the Bounty Hunter reruns, then after 6 months. hit me up and tell me how lean you are!

Watch the Juan Morel video on YouTube where he is eating 20,000 calories a day!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmj7HDHSe10

The reason he can get away with that is because he followed GH-15's protocol of injecting 15iu's/Day and eating pineapple wedges....Get the fuck out!!! He can do it because his metabolism is super human! I can't even imagine eating 20,000 calories in a day without puking!!!

I'm not saying HGH is not good, or not worth the time, money and effort. Far from it. But I too have questions I would like to have an answer to:

1) Does HGH use in higher doses result in hyperplasia?

2) Does HGH have any benefit to strength or Hypertrophy?

3) Are their any "Real" dangerous side-effects with reasonable doses of HGH?

In his book, "Bases Loaded", Kirk Radomski said that HGH has no effect on strength. He sold HGH to a bunch of New York Mets baseball players back in the early 2000's. He said the major benefit of HGH was recovery from injury. In our world, that would translate to recovery. So....you could potentially workout more intensely, more often, which to me means more gains!!!

I hope this get's y'all thinking and Y'all come back with your own thoughts! We all learn from each other!

This is it's main benefit in my opinion, and this is exactly why I don't think it needs to be run more than 6 iu either. I think a lot of people overate it too because of the water retention it can bring in higher doses too. I think a lot of people struggle to differentiate in their mind water gain vs muscle gain. They feel bigger, the extra water gives them more leverage therefore a bit more strength and they immediately think wow hgh is blowing me up

 

[psych]

this is great

 

[thethinker]

Quick thought on MK use.

Endogenous GH production will vary in each individual. Some people don't have naturally high production of IGF, maybe that's why your scores were lower than you expected ?

I'll copy my thoughts on MK and it's effects from a thread I made on pro muscle.

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