Hrt , trt

[MayGodBlessyou]

Dave's, ok....do my best...and thank you!!

BP: fluctuates a GREAT deal, they don't know why..115/70-180/150
Temp:usually always around 97.4
BF%: NO idea...... No speed-o any time soon..... 42" waist
Beem this weight few weeks, but dropping weight steadily.... So more than likely lighter than that now.... EVERY time been to Dr which is every week.... I'm down lbs....
Excercise: sadly until these last few days... I've been unable to hardly walk or stand up for long with out blacking out or falling over dizzy etc.... They say NOT from blood pressure or heart.
Specialist: you name it!! Uroligist is about only I haven't been asked to go to, but I WAS wondering about that myself!!
This started last spring.... Has got progressively worse... Last 6 months increasingly so.... About month or so ago almost died..... Lost 50+ lbs in 12 days, could eat/ keep food down.....etc
Adderall : 20 mg xr.... Dr says its not just helping mind, but also subbing for my shutdown metabolism......(no idea??)
Adrenal/kidney testing: More than likely.... What's the test called/ result etc.... I have SOOOO much and don't know what is..... I'd be happy to post....
Prior expirience: Before this all happened.... ZERO, exp with cycle etc

Feel free to ask more or clarification etc..... As I said, I VERY new.... Also this causes BIG TIME mental lag for me, so please bare with me.....
Happy to give whatever info I can..... Just may need help knowing/finding that I have it etc...

Thank you!!

GOD BLESS!!

 

[MayGodBlessyou]

The TRT/HRT cycle looks good.

My question would be what does your daily diet consist of? You have lost a good deal of weight but you are still walking around a very heavy man which places you at continued health risks!

Do you train, even just cardio, calisthenics, stretching? In order to get your life back you will need to act on all aspects of it. Training, diet, along with the above laid out 6 month course should have your levels changing for the better.

Daily diet is clean...admittedly light.... Favorite food has always been grilled chicken.... Never liked junk food/sweets etc
As of NOW , training etc is dangerous at best.... After several minutes I get very dizzy, fall over or blackout....
Drs assure me NOT from heart, blood pressure etc.....and that's it's Pituitary related.....????
I DO try to do as much as I can during the day!! Stairs etc...... It's not much.....but try to push a little more each day!!

Sorry if I've confused anyone.... My Brain is Swiss cheese..... The "plan" I laid out was one that was suggested to me... I have NEVER used HGH or anything other than Test that Dr started me on about 8 months ago.....however....levels haven't budged

 

[Daveyjones]

Serum cortisol and glucocorticoids i am not postive on the test name but thats what they would be testing for. Unfortunatley i think that hrt and trt are only treating symptoms and not the underlying cause. Have u had any ct scans of ur brain, becuase that is something i would seriously consider( pretty much ASAP). Specifically the pituitary gland becuase some of the things are consistent with hypo while others are hyper. The other thing to consider is hypothalamus as it controls the pituitary. But all these problems ur talking about are various diffrent hormone secreted by glands that are controlled by the pituitary. Hence i think that even if u did get a proper hrt it would only truly be treating symptoms. I really think u need to consider having them look at the actual anatomical structures of these various glands. the one thing in common is definetly the pituitary which is why i suggest a ct scan or a digital subtraction angiograph. Im no doctor, but i am on my way to becoming one. It's case like your that make me want to be one, that fact that ur endocrinologist is in it for the money sickens me greatly, and is one of the things i will crusade agenst when i become one. Doctors should be in this becuase they want to treat patients not make money.

Does ur family have something called Addison's or cushings run in it?

 

[Ironbuilt]

MGB .,Daveyjones put out some great questions and advice and although it may overwhelm you don't let it and do one thing at a time like you are doing brutha. Just from you posting this is making me learn in a fascinating area of the human body that i never would. And I will help however I can. Keep a positive outlook as you are. Ib.

 

[MayGodBlessyou]

Serum cortisol and glucocorticoids i am not postive on the test name but thats what they would be testing for. Unfortunatley i think that hrt and trt are only treating symptoms and not the underlying cause. Have u had any ct scans of ur brain, becuase that is something i would seriously consider( pretty much ASAP). Specifically the pituitary gland becuase some of the things are consistent with hypo while others are hyper. The other thing to consider is hypothalamus as it controls the pituitary. But all these problems ur talking about are various diffrent hormone secreted by glands that are controlled by the pituitary. Hence i think that even if u did get a proper hrt it would only truly be treating symptoms. I really think u need to consider having them look at the actual anatomical structures of these various glands. the one thing in common is definetly the pituitary which is why i suggest a ct scan or a digital subtraction angiograph. Im no doctor, but i am on my way to becoming one. It's case like your that make me want to be one, that fact that ur endocrinologist is in it for the money sickens me greatly, and is one of the things i will crusade agenst when i become one. Doctors should be in this becuase they want to treat patients not make money.

Does ur family have something called Addison's or cushings run in it?

Davey: on way to ENT Dr...but real quick....have had TWO MRIs in last 2 months......with and w/out contrast... BOTH concentrating on specfically the Brain/Pituitary ....because for about 6 months they thought had Tumor etc
They JUST ruled this out about 2 weeks ago.... Thank The Lord!!

When I get back.... I will, look for those other test results etc you asked for.... Thank you so VERY much for your help bro!!

GOD BLESS!!

 

[MayGodBlessyou]

OH......I think I said this.....but...one my MAIN symptoms is repeating, Brain probs..

I HAVE been diagnosed Hypopituitary...."border-line" Pan-Hyppituitary

Thought you'd want know

GOD BLESS

 

[Daveyjones]

I mean honestly thats what i thought to; a pituitary adenoma would be consistent with most everything. But if thats not the case then im going to do more research and see if i can come up with anything. I am sorry i don't have anwser but i will try. As for the immediate these guys know what they are talking about much more then i do in terms of perscribing hrt and trt. I belive getting your vitals under control should be ur first priority. Next i think u should plan out a specific diet that will take in to account ur lack of ability to exersice and allow you to lose weight without sacrificing nutrients. Lastly; and this is we're i could be wrong so guys correct me if thats the case, i think ur main priority is getting ur estrogen under control. How does every feel about letro as oppsed to other ai's as i feel this will be more beneficial. The other thing to consider is a drug that kills sghb like provirion. Keep in mind the above is only going to treat symptoms as opposed to the actual cause. My hope in that is u will be more comfortable while ur doctors can come up with a better soultion.

 

[Ironbuilt]

I agree Daveyj , I was thinking more the line of aromasin( exemestane) as it totally surpresses estro and easier to control than letro.as in more stable or even level within. Now someone can set me straight but letro can be kinda a roller coaster effect to some degree. I thought surpress estro, get test level up slowly and possibly boost LH and FSH with hcg@ 500iu week.. Now I'm no where near a medical mind but this is from my years of personally soaking up all info in the bodybuilding world I can . Thanks Im still learning at 48 go figure.

 

[MayGodBlessyou]

I mean honestly thats what i thought to; a pituitary adenoma would be consistent with most everything. But if thats not the case then im going to do more research and see if i can come up with anything. I am sorry i don't have anwser but i will try. As for the immediate these guys know what they are talking about much more then i do in terms of perscribing hrt and trt. I belive getting your vitals under control should be ur first priority. Next i think u should plan out a specific diet that will take in to account ur lack of ability to exersice and allow you to lose weight without sacrificing nutrients. Lastly; and this is we're i could be wrong so guys correct me if thats the case, i think ur main priority is getting ur estrogen under control. How does every feel about letro as oppsed to other ai's as i feel this will be more beneficial. The other thing to consider is a drug that kills sghb like provirion. Keep in mind the above is only going to treat symptoms as opposed to the actual cause. My hope in that is u will be more comfortable while ur doctors can come up with a better soultion.

Thank you SOOO much !! Greatly appreciated.... Not sure what it is, don't really think ( my Drs ) they do either....to be honest....
Been eating clean....and weight is falling rapidly for sure......

FYI: today @ ENT.....BP was 154/92.......Temp98.0....@ 12pm Est

 

[MayGodBlessyou]

Serum cortisol and glucocorticoids i am not postive on the test name but thats what they would be testing for. Unfortunatley i think that hrt and trt are only treating symptoms and not the underlying cause. Have u had any ct scans of ur brain, becuase that is something i would seriously consider( pretty much ASAP). Specifically the pituitary gland becuase some of the things are consistent with hypo while others are hyper. The other thing to consider is hypothalamus as it controls the pituitary. But all these problems ur talking about are various diffrent hormone secreted by glands that are controlled by the pituitary. Hence i think that even if u did get a proper hrt it would only truly be treating symptoms. I really think u need to consider having them look at the actual anatomical structures of these various glands. the one thing in common is definetly the pituitary which is why i suggest a ct scan or a digital subtraction angiograph. Im no doctor, but i am on my way to becoming one. It's case like your that make me want to be one, that fact that ur endocrinologist is in it for the money sickens me greatly, and is one of the things i will crusade agenst when i become one. Doctors should be in this becuase they want to treat patients not make money.

Does ur family have something called Addison's or cushings run in it?

Davey: Did I address all your questions ?? Forgive me if I did not?? Just hit me again..... No Addison's etc that I know of..... Yes the Drs are driving me INSANE for sure!!
Wish I could find ONE good one!

 

[Daveyjones]

How's everything going mate is anything getting better?

 

[MayGodBlessyou]

Sir Davey,
If by better you mean status quo.... SURE!! Lol... Actually had some days that were worst in long while....
Seeing Endo again soon, getting new Labs etc..... Frustrated beyond words,,, thanks the Good Lord... Few REALLY GREAT fellas have been helping me from here!!
Learning a TON....
With weather getting nicer now around here.....think I'm starting get MORE frustrated ....today anyways

 

[MayGodBlessyou]

Gentleman,
Been feeling unwell till last day or so....but wanted you to know...especially : IB....Jacked...... You guys are saving my life, and I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH!!
MAY GOD BLESS YOU!!

 

[Ironbuilt]

We got ya neighbor..Lear jet in shop or I'd do a house call...Ask away here cause lots a good brain and advice here . People just miss post sometimes .peace ib.

 

[phineas]

You need a better thyroid workup.

TSH alone is garbage, and its too high already.

You need a free T3 and Free T4 level, a reverse T3 level, and some tests to see if you are autoimmune to thyroid, mainly TPO and TGab.

Thats a start. If reverse T3 is high then you must take T3 and not T4 since that will result in more of the same problems you have.

Low T3 is a main problem with energy and it is the main culprit in adrenal insufficiency.

A body under stress will manufacture reverse T3 from T4 to conserve energy and slow the body down..

 

[Ironbuilt]

Phineas this is old thread and he was tested after a month of therapy and all normal ranges or above in serum test level but not sure of current situation of trt .etc.

 

[phineas]

if those tests are repeated i can gaurantee that he is stilll not right, and no one knows what is wrong with him for two reasons.

1. in order to regain some balance to endocrine system there has to be synchronicity, especially between thyroid, adrenal and brain. Those systems can kill.

2. running TSH gives a very incomplete understanding of thyroid metabolism, and the treatment for most primary hypothyroid states is 80-90% ineffective in correcting symptoms but may correct the TSH level.

its why people on synthroid have normal labs and still feel like shit.

so common, i see a few hundred cases a year