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Coached by Foaud Abiad
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Elvia1023
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Good luck with everything and I know you will do great. I really hope you can get back to your old jacked self with no issues along the way. I would never want to comment negatively in someones log ever but something really stands out so I figure I will just be totally open with what jumped out at me.
I personally think that's too much volume especially because you are just getting back into things. I can see it doing more harm than good but I hope that's not the case. I am just being bluntly honest with you because I want you do get back to where you was with minimal issues along the way.
If they were just total sets then fine but you write to complete failure so that is a lot of volume. That is coming from someone who has happily trained legs for 3 hours many times in the past. Fair enough if you were back to 100% and wanted to push things go for it. But when just wanting to get back and avoid injuries and not tax your system too much that just seems like far too much (unnecessary). 8 sets of squats to complete failure alone will massively tax the cns. Now 6 progressively heavier warm up sets (reps start high but go very low for heavier warm up sets) and 2 all out sets (different rep ranges) of squats I think would be perfect.
So if only the last 1-2 sets were to complete failure for each exercise that changes thing but all 8 on squats, 4 on leg press, 4 on leg extensions etc. I know all you can do is listen and trust your coach and I am sure he has your best interests at heart (he seems like a great guy) plus who am I to post it is wrong.
Anyway I figured I would mention it as it really jumped out at me. I know you are training frequently as well. That volume/frequency would be hard to recover from even for someone at 100%, on loads of aas, hgh, slin etc etc. Regardless good luck with everything and hopefully your body adapts to the training.
I personally think that's too much volume especially because you are just getting back into things. I can see it doing more harm than good but I hope that's not the case. I am just being bluntly honest with you because I want you do get back to where you was with minimal issues along the way.
If they were just total sets then fine but you write to complete failure so that is a lot of volume. That is coming from someone who has happily trained legs for 3 hours many times in the past. Fair enough if you were back to 100% and wanted to push things go for it. But when just wanting to get back and avoid injuries and not tax your system too much that just seems like far too much (unnecessary). 8 sets of squats to complete failure alone will massively tax the cns. Now 6 progressively heavier warm up sets (reps start high but go very low for heavier warm up sets) and 2 all out sets (different rep ranges) of squats I think would be perfect.
So if only the last 1-2 sets were to complete failure for each exercise that changes thing but all 8 on squats, 4 on leg press, 4 on leg extensions etc. I know all you can do is listen and trust your coach and I am sure he has your best interests at heart (he seems like a great guy) plus who am I to post it is wrong.
Anyway I figured I would mention it as it really jumped out at me. I know you are training frequently as well. That volume/frequency would be hard to recover from even for someone at 100%, on loads of aas, hgh, slin etc etc. Regardless good luck with everything and hopefully your body adapts to the training.
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I would never be able to handle or recover from doing every one of those sets to failure...for at least a week. lol
Guys I got this chest cold that's going around. I'm guessing it going to cost me about three days...…..…...
Elvia, always speak your mind about anything I post. I appreciate your feed back. YES God knows the volume is off the map. I asked about it and he's a man of few words. "Your hitting these parts once a week. With the way your eating lets run the food into a place it wants to be. Nothing about bodybuilding is easy. If it is that's an area your not pushing hard enough."
That being said it's fucking killin me. No lying friend, this is making me question myself and my abilities.
I have had pneumonia for the last two weeks. I'm finally starting to see the end of the tunnel here . This weekend I'll be back on the full program again. I have a training partner Jay. He's a Blk guy 10 years younger than me and genetically gifted. He's a great spotter and just has an instinct for seeing when I'm about to fail. He's stronger than me at everything so he keeps me chasing the carrot. I'm hoping once I jump back on I'll have something for him then.....
Elvia1023
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I am pleased to read you are feeling better and should be back to normal soon. It's great you have someone like that to train with. I always train alone but I make good use of machines and safeties.
I am all for pushing past your limits. Although taking all factors into consideration I do think 8 sets to failure on squats is simply too much. Maybe not in the future but for you right now I 100% think it is. I doubt you being sick is any coincidence and your immune system is probably very weak from the training and the recent health issues.
Again I am all for going crazy in the gym but also in a smart way. That could mean 2 all out sets of squats with 2 all out sets of leg press and leg curls etc. That would be 10 working sets for legs (your 5 movements) which is a good amount. I even think 2 for this and 1 for that and 2 for this etc so about 8 working sets would be even better. Just my opinion but I think he could be smarter with his programming. Plus I would never usually comment on what a coach has instructed. I always tell people listen to your coach and don't second guess him as you hired him for a reason. So follow the program and see where it takes you but for you right now that leg day is very wrong imo. It's just going to dig such a deep hole you won't be able to get out of it.
X amounts of sets doesn't have to mean the same every week. An example if you felt like utter crap lowering the number would make sense. Does he just want you to do 8 sets no matter what? So you are just starting to feel better after being very ill so next leg day it's 8 sets of squats again? For me I would think 2 would be a good start and you progress over time. If you don't want to progress via weight increments you could increase volume so do 3 then 4 and maybe you get to 8 over time. But to start at 8 and just to say bodybuilding is not easy is not being sensible with what he has in front of him.
Honestly I am a machine in the gym and I have trained hard for 3 hours many times but the idea of doing 8 sets to squats to failure to me is just silly and unneccesary unless it was literally just that and maybe 1 ham movement and 1 calf movement on top. Even so it's still unneccesary in a weekly program.
Now everyone's idea of failure is different and that is a massive factor but I have a feeling you really push it hard. If you are putting 100% into all of those sets that is brutal. He tells you that you only train legs once but it's not just about your legs recovering. It's mainly about your cns recovering over the 5 training days per week.
I wouldn't be questioning yourself or your ability in the gym. This to me is really obvious. There is a reason you pretty much see no one in the gym, on ig or you-tube doing 8 working sets of squats with many other exercises to complete failure. Plus aren't you nearly 60? Even if you were 26 the same applies.
I always post about how the body adapts and it's capable of much more than most people think. How many athletes train for hours on end. Many on the forums act like if you train hard for over an hour you are overtraining etc. But for your situation I think what he has told you to do is crazy. Sorry for the long winded post I just have strong views on this as I want you to do well and I can only see this going against you in the long run.
I agree with everything you said friend! Maybe this is just cookie cutter and I should start cutting this down to better accommodate my needs at the moment? What really concerned me about this guy is after telling him I'm recovering from a coma he never even asked why or what happened?
montego
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Let him know if you're not recovering. Just be candid.
If, it doesn't work out, I still have a spot open
d2r2ddd
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he's too bz with his new supplements and youtube contents
That also crossed my mind.
Iv'e only been back for two days and I'm redeveloping a cough. I cant even begin to tell ya how far my head is up my ass about now. Just never ends.
Elvia1023
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Not gonna lie that is very worrying (he never asked about your health issues). I figured cookie cutter but still it's bad. I am all for sticking to a plan but just like me recently if something is not working it needs to be changed. You could half his working sets and go from there.
he's too bz with his new supplements and youtube contents
Exactly. Still it's a stupid program but I do wonder how he has time to train people. By the sounds of things he is taking on more and more clients as well. He does so many podcasts/videos and he replies to all the comments. Then the other social media and his new supp company and he talks like that takes a lot of his time. He wouldn't be the first coach to take on too much and it negatively effect the quality of his service.
Elvia1023
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Are you eating much fruit/veg/greens? Any health supps that boost immunity? Are you running anything toxic now (orals)?
Enough is enough. I have never dished out negatively about a coach. Some times it just doesn't work between two people. This is a first after he literally had me questioning myself.
This Fouad can just get fucked. He is with out question the single most ignorant individual I may have EVER dealt with on line...……...EVER. For a coach to have never questioned a minor detail like me going into a coma is startling. Dealing
with this fuck was like pulling teeth. But the one thing I can walk away from this with is my pride. I killed the diet(when I got one) and I killed the ridiculous (cookie cutter) training. This clown never once even made a gear suggestion. I told him if he doesn't return my second months payment I was going to contact his vendor services and start from there. He returned it immediately! Next time around guys like Elvia pointed out. If you see me involved in shit that stinks point it out man. I just jumped in and started drinking the Cool aid way to quick. Just goes to show how completely misleading these YT fuckers can be.
This Fouad can just get fucked. He is with out question the single most ignorant individual I may have EVER dealt with on line...……...EVER. For a coach to have never questioned a minor detail like me going into a coma is startling. Dealing
with this fuck was like pulling teeth. But the one thing I can walk away from this with is my pride. I killed the diet(when I got one) and I killed the ridiculous (cookie cutter) training. This clown never once even made a gear suggestion. I told him if he doesn't return my second months payment I was going to contact his vendor services and start from there. He returned it immediately! Next time around guys like Elvia pointed out. If you see me involved in shit that stinks point it out man. I just jumped in and started drinking the Cool aid way to quick. Just goes to show how completely misleading these YT fuckers can be.
montego
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I hate to hear that. He seems like a good guy but, I guess he's got too much going on to dedicate the adequate time to coach properly.
I am surprised Fouad gave that routine to you as it doesn't make any sense. Are you thinking about hiring a new coach or just doing it by yourself?