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by Bill Roberts
Feels Like Sustanon? Yeah,right!
Okay, I've seen it all: Boron, Smilax, HMB, and nowAndrosol. All supposed to be incredibly amazing. Roberts, I thought you established some credibility overthe last few years with your articles on Mesomorphosis. But now that you have your own product to sell,you're obviously just a sellout. Prohormones don't work. Feels like Sustanon? Yeah, right! Obviously, I'mnot going to be reading your articles anymore.
Karl
"Feels like Sustanon" was a strongstatement to make for Androsol. It was my idea to describe it that way, and I stand behind it. But"bumper sticker" statements can't tell the whole story — obviously, there's more to be saidabout it.
TheBehind the Scenes column that you're talking about went onto say Androsol was comparable in effect to "one or two" Sustanons per week, and to a"mild" steroid cycle — not to a heavy cycle.
So if you've got your panties all in a twist with theidea that, "T-mag lied, saying Androsol is like a gram of Sustanon per week," get overit! It's a legal way to get results that are similar to a mild cycle. A gram per week of Test, however, willblow Androsol away. Let there be no mistake, I never said differently.
What we've seen in tests with Androsol sincestill agrees with our original description. Test subjects have all gained between five and nine poundsin LBM in a couple of weeks on Androsol, with arm circumference increases of up to one-half inch, with oneguy gaining a full inch. This is no less than what most people get from one or two Sustanons aweek.
But as far ashow it literally feels, not just the result ? it's different than Sustanon, at least by my standards.Tim Patterson personally thought it felt more like trenbolone acetate, but in my book I really thought itwould have been more accurate to say "Feels like Dianabol," though that isn't a precise matcheither. This feeling must come from the androstenediol (4-AD) itself, rather than from whatever amount isconverted to T.
Thelibido increase is amazing and must be experienced to be believed, and there's also a very strong "feelgood" aspect to Androsol. It's definitely lightly euphoric.
From the practical standpoint of how to stack it withother steroids, no, it isn't like Sustanon. For example, if you're already taking Dianabol and you add inSustanon, you'll get quite an added kick. They work somewhat synergistically together.
This isn't true withAndrosol. If Dianabol use is fairly high, like 50 mg per day, adding Androsol will give little added benefit,and no more benefit than additional Dianabol would. They don't work synergistically, which is whatmight happen when things work by different mechanisms instead of by the same mechanism.
Specifically, while Dianabol iseffective in muscle, it doesn't work well at the androgen receptor, having very poor binding to the AR(anabolic receptor). The benefit it gives must come from another mechanism. I believe the same is true for4-AD. This is unlike testosterone, which does have good binding to the AR.
As a side note, nandrolone is a steroid witheven better binding to the AR, which explains why the Deca/Dianabol stack works so well. Currently, anathlete I'm working with is testing the Deca/Androsol stack, and I'll be quite interested to learn ifnandrolone and Androsol work synergistically as expected.
So, if you wanna' be precise, nope, Androsol isn't a"double" for Sustanon any more than any of the non-Testosterone pharmaceutical steroids are.They're different animals. And Androsol isn't an anabolic steroid. It's a legal prohormone.
Maybe you would've preferredthat I said:
"It feels like I'm on some kind of juice, givingresults like a mild dosage, but it's not identical in feel to any specific kind of juice, being most similar infeel to Dianabol but with much more libido increase and a little more euphoric effect"?
That might have beenmore precise! Kind of wordy, though.
How Does Androsol Work?
It looks likeyou are supposed to just spray on Androsol, and it dries in a couple of minutes. Does that work? How is itcarried through the skin? It can't be that easy.
Vern
Description of transport through the skin can be madevery complicated, if one wants to really get down to the specifics. For example, I have a 35-page articlecurrently submitted to J Pharm Sci on a novel method of modeling transdermal delivery, and anearlier published one of maybe half that length. They're dense reading and I don't really recommend themfor entertainment. If you want to read all the literature out there, it'll take you quite some time, and youmay drop into a boredom-induced coma.
The description can also be made pretty simple. It'swhat's called a diffusion process, rather like adding a drop of ink to the top of a glass of water, andwatching it gradually mix with the water. When you dissolve a compound in the top of the skin, it works itsway through the skin in a similar way. The amount that gets through the skin (the flux) depends onfour things:
1) Solubility of the compound in theskin
The more compound that can dissolve in the skin, themore compound will diffuse through the skin. If you've already decided what compound you want to use,then you can't do much to increase the amount that gets through the skin. It has a certain solubility, and thebest you can do is to saturate the top surface of the skin with the compound.
2) Molecular weight ofthe compound
Diffusion is slowed down somewhat as compounds getlarger. Again, if you've already decided on a compound, you can't do much to increase the amount that getsthrough the skin.
3) Permeability of the skin
The skin can becomemore permeable (easy to get through) by use of permeation enhancers. These typically work bymaking the waxy lipids in your skin more liquid. While it's not difficult to get several times the flux persquare inch with such techniques, those square inches tend to be real pains in the ass. You might have towear a patch and end up with skin irritation. No one can tolerate permeation enhancement over a wide area.The percentage of drug transported versus the amount applied isn't necessarily improved atall. The improvement is in allowing smaller skin areas to be used.
4) Area of theskin
The larger the area of the skin that's saturated withcompound, the more the total flux. If you can apply the compound to 100 times the area, you can get 100times the flux.
My idea was to make a product that was so convenientto use that you could happily apply it to several square feet of skin and achieve very high flux, more fluxthan you could get from any tolerable amount of a penetration-enhancement technology. (Do you really wantto wear a one square foot patch, 24 hours a day, seven days a week?)
So, this is what happens when you apply Androsol: asthe alcohol evaporates, much of the 4-AD transfers into the skin, saturating it. The remainder dries to anextremely light, essentially invisible amorphous film. This film tightly adheres to the skin, and readilyresupplies 4-AD to the top layer of the skin, keeping it saturated as the prohormone diffuses down throughinto the deeper layers.
The result is a sustained, very high total flux for atleast 16 hours. The scientific literature shows sustained flux for 24 hours for a similar method usingtestosterone and ethanol, and from personal use, I can definitely tell that 4-AD is still at high levels after24 hours.
Byallowing a large area of application, the Androsol technology makes it possible to apply up to a gram of4-AD per day while obtaining efficient transdermal delivery. This gives far more flux than what canpractically be achieved with creams, gels, or patches. It really is that easy!
Women andAndrosol?
How much Androsol do you recommend for women?I'm guessing about 1/3 of what men use, so maybe 20 or 25 sprays twice per day? Is it safe forwomen?
Carole
I don't recommend Androsol for use by women.There's so much individual variability that it's impossible to predict how much of any androgen a givenwoman can use without experiencing problems such as facial hair growth or hoarsening of thevoice.
In a maletest subject, we've seen sustained elevations of over 30 times normal levels of T from a single applicationof only 28 sprays of Androsol. So I have to wonder, would even one spray be too much for a woman if usedon a regular basis? It seems possible. It's also possible that as much as seven sprays might be okay, but wehaven't tested this and I wouldn't bet on it.
If you're a woman who's concerned about safety, theonly recommendation that I can give is to not use Androsol.
When and How to ApplyAndrosol
I've ordered three bottles of Androsol and want tomake sure that I use them right when they arrive. Do I have to take a shower before each application? Whatabout if I want to use it before a workout? What time of day should I use Androsol, and how do I apply it?The ad says "thighs, torso, and/or arms." Any one of these, or all of them?
Nick
It's very important that your skin not be the slightestbit wet, damp, or sweaty at the time of application. If it is, the solubility of 4-AD in your skin will bereduced because 4-AD is practically insoluble in water. The results could be mixed or, worse yet,nonexistent.
Afterthe Androsol is applied, though, sweating or getting wet won't matter. Rubbing wet skin with a towel,however, would be likely to remove Androsol. You don't have to shower before each use, as long as the skinis clean and dry.
The time of day you apply it probably isn't thatimportant because the delivery is quite sustained. If using twice a day, the most efficient thing would be forthe applications to be twelve hours apart, but I doubt that it would make much of a difference if you're offby a few hours.
You should apply to the widest area possible using thethinnest coat possible. Personally, I distribute 70 sprays over the calves, thighs, front and sides of torso,and arms.
"Two On, Four Off" Cycle, Why Not EightWeeks?
I know that you were involved with Androsol and havewritten a lot of articles advocating "two weeks on, four weeks off" cycles. But I don't think that Androsolusers should cycle it that way just because you said so! I'd make much better gains going for eight weeksstraight. But before I do that, is there a reason why I shouldn't?
Alex
We recommend "two weeks on,four weeks off" cycles for Androsol because this is a way for people to use the product while minimizingthe effect on natural Testosterone production. Sure, HCG and Clomid would permit longer cycles withouttesticular atrophy, but can we really recommend that our supplement product be used in a way thatcould also necessitate black market drugs? No.
Now, if your number-one goal is to have the mostimprovement possible eight weeks from now, then being on Androsol for eight weeks straight will, ofcourse, give more improvement than you'd get from a plan that had you "off" for four of thoseweeks.
But thisisn't a fair comparison. If you're going to count the "off" weeks of the "two weeks on, fourweeks off" cycle against it, you ought to do the same for eight-week cycles: you're still going to need"off" weeks. Without drugs to boost Testosterone production, you really ought to have abouttwice as many weeks "off" as "on" so that you don't decrease average Testosteroneproduction too much over time.
So let's count the "off" weeks in eithercase. Will you have better results after 24 weeks from eight weeks on and 16 weeks off, or from four "twoweeks on, four weeks off" cycles? With steroid cycles, the short cycles will give the better results. Withprohormones, I'm not sure, but I'd still bet on the short cycles.
And with the eight-week cycle, there's a much moresignificant chance you might have problems recovering your natural production afterward.
I'd suggest using Androsol in asafe way. If you want to take substantial health risks by being "on" the majority of the time orfor long periods of time, chances are you'd prefer to get the extra gains you'd acquire from a seriousanabolic steroid cycle. You would probably want to use either entirely pharmaceutical steroids, or you'dwant to stack Deca or Primobolan with the Androsol. Not that you should do anything illegal!
Accidental Transfer of Androsol toOthers?
How can I be sure that Androsol isn't going to transferto children, or to my girlfriend during sex? It sounds to me as if it could, since it makes a film on yourbody. And isn't the film annoying? Why doesn't it rub off onto your clothing?
David
This film is virtuallyimperceptible after drying and is so well-bonded to the skin that it definitely won't come off with just thetouch of a hand or even from all-day contact with clothing. It isn't bothersome in the slightest bit. Even ifyou go looking for it, it's hard to tell that it's there. Your girlfriend can even lick you, and she won't be ableto tell that you applied Androsol. It's completely discrete.
(If you find that it's perceptible, either by taste orsight, then you applied it too thick! The same number of sprays should've gone over a widerarea.)
To be 100%sure that no transfer to another person occurs, choose a body part that won't come into contact withanother person. For example, if you have a toddler who grabs your legs a lot and whom you hold frequently,restricting use to parts of your torso or legs that are covered by clothing will guarantee safety. Actually, Ithink it's very unlikely that there could be any problem even if you don't follow these precautions, just solong as you allow your skin to become thoroughly dry.
As an experiment, try applying seventy sprays (500mg) of Androsol, wait ten minutes, and then try to rub it off your skin. I guarantee that you won't be able toproduce a small pile of 4-AD shavings, even though the original 500 mg contained in that 70-spray dosagewould be quite a large pile.
And even if you could remove it readily, solid 4-ADwouldn't transfer well to another person's skin. Try taking 4-AD powder from a capsule and rubbing it onyourself. How much would get into the skin? About zero.
Here's another comparison: after ink dries on paper,try rubbing that piece of paper onto another one. Can you transfer even one percent? I really doubtit.
As for transferby sweat, 4-AD is practically insoluble in water, so that mode of transfer is unlikely also. We haven't,however, proven that there's no chance of significant transfer in some sweaty m?nage ? deux (ifthat phrase even makes any sense). If there's any such transfer, the immediate sign of it would bethat your girlfriend will become a total nymphomaniac and will leave you for someone with a biggerdick.
Avoiding Inhibition WithAndrosol?
Instead of using the high doses of Androsol talkedabout on T-mag, I want to try using steady lower doses that will "supplement" my levelswithout causing much inhibition. How much Androsol can I get away with?
Rob
This is something we're studyingright now. I'm guessing that seven sprays per day wouldn't be very inhibitory, since that's only 1/20 ofour maximum dose (140 sprays per day), but this is something that needs to be verified before anyonecontinues on this long-term. We should have results in a couple of weeks.
Here's our reasoning. Since our maximum dose is lesseffective for gains than one gram per week of Testosterone, then 1/20 of our maximum dose shouldbe less inhibitory than 1/20 of of a gram per week of Testosterone, and that amount isn't very inhibitory.However, there's a problem with this logic. Androsol isn't Testosterone, so a direct comparison likethis one may not be valid.
Making an argument in the other direction, recall howonly 28 sprays gave elevations of over 30 times, though this elevation probably consists of both 4-AD andTestosterone, not just Testosterone. That seems to imply that even one spray (7.1 mg) might doublelevels, and that amount could plausibly cause some inhibition. This seems unlikely, but it can't yet be ruledout. So, this is something that we're researching right now. We'll report on the results as soon aspossible.
Nandrosol
When are you comingout with the nor version of Androsol? I always liked norandrodiol better than androdiol, so I think I wouldlike the nor better in the topical, too. I ordered some Androsol, but I'm hoping the nor version will come outsoon.
Ian
Initially, we were reluctant to produce a 19-norversion of Androsol because the cost has to be so much higher, and we wondered whether it could really beworth it to the customer. The very best we can do is to match the price per gram of name-brand capsuleswhile providing a superior delivery system and giving you probably several times theefficiency.
Thething is, norandrodiol is expensive! For example, 12 grams of Substrate Solutions norandrodiol listsfor $240, and the best discount price seems to be $120. An equivalent amount of the Sports Oneproduct lists for $128, and the best discount price seems to be $93.50.
So there's just no way 12 grams worth of Nandrosolcan be anywhere near the "deal" as Androsol. Despite the extremely high materials cost, we'redetermined to keep the list price down to $135 or so, which would work out to roughly $90 per 12 grams ifyou "buy two, get one free." By comparison, Androsol lists for $49.95, which works out to$33.30 per 12 grams if you go for the "buy two, get one free" discount.
Will Nandrosol, at almost three times theprice, give you three times the effect per gram? No, But it should have fewer side effects in the skin andscalp.
Personally, Ilike providing a product that offers both great performance and a great price. Our planned price forNandrosol is excellent in terms of price per gram and even more so in price and performance,compared to every other norandrodiol product on the market, including the sublinguals. But compared toAndrosol, it's pricey.
After thinking about it, though, we all agreed thatwhether this price is or isn't worth the benefits is entirely up to the customer. For some people, the extraprice won't matter; they prefer using a prohormone that will give them an added boost in performance withthe least possible chance of side effects. Others, however, who perhaps want the most anabolic bang fortheir buck, and who aren't as worried about — or prone to — possible side effects, will prefer the Androsol.So, if the test market likes the product, we'll come out with Nandrosol in the next month ortwo.
Feels Like Sustanon? Yeah,right!
Okay, I've seen it all: Boron, Smilax, HMB, and nowAndrosol. All supposed to be incredibly amazing. Roberts, I thought you established some credibility overthe last few years with your articles on Mesomorphosis. But now that you have your own product to sell,you're obviously just a sellout. Prohormones don't work. Feels like Sustanon? Yeah, right! Obviously, I'mnot going to be reading your articles anymore.
Karl
"Feels like Sustanon" was a strongstatement to make for Androsol. It was my idea to describe it that way, and I stand behind it. But"bumper sticker" statements can't tell the whole story — obviously, there's more to be saidabout it.
TheBehind the Scenes column that you're talking about went onto say Androsol was comparable in effect to "one or two" Sustanons per week, and to a"mild" steroid cycle — not to a heavy cycle.
So if you've got your panties all in a twist with theidea that, "T-mag lied, saying Androsol is like a gram of Sustanon per week," get overit! It's a legal way to get results that are similar to a mild cycle. A gram per week of Test, however, willblow Androsol away. Let there be no mistake, I never said differently.
What we've seen in tests with Androsol sincestill agrees with our original description. Test subjects have all gained between five and nine poundsin LBM in a couple of weeks on Androsol, with arm circumference increases of up to one-half inch, with oneguy gaining a full inch. This is no less than what most people get from one or two Sustanons aweek.
But as far ashow it literally feels, not just the result ? it's different than Sustanon, at least by my standards.Tim Patterson personally thought it felt more like trenbolone acetate, but in my book I really thought itwould have been more accurate to say "Feels like Dianabol," though that isn't a precise matcheither. This feeling must come from the androstenediol (4-AD) itself, rather than from whatever amount isconverted to T.
Thelibido increase is amazing and must be experienced to be believed, and there's also a very strong "feelgood" aspect to Androsol. It's definitely lightly euphoric.
From the practical standpoint of how to stack it withother steroids, no, it isn't like Sustanon. For example, if you're already taking Dianabol and you add inSustanon, you'll get quite an added kick. They work somewhat synergistically together.
This isn't true withAndrosol. If Dianabol use is fairly high, like 50 mg per day, adding Androsol will give little added benefit,and no more benefit than additional Dianabol would. They don't work synergistically, which is whatmight happen when things work by different mechanisms instead of by the same mechanism.
Specifically, while Dianabol iseffective in muscle, it doesn't work well at the androgen receptor, having very poor binding to the AR(anabolic receptor). The benefit it gives must come from another mechanism. I believe the same is true for4-AD. This is unlike testosterone, which does have good binding to the AR.
As a side note, nandrolone is a steroid witheven better binding to the AR, which explains why the Deca/Dianabol stack works so well. Currently, anathlete I'm working with is testing the Deca/Androsol stack, and I'll be quite interested to learn ifnandrolone and Androsol work synergistically as expected.
So, if you wanna' be precise, nope, Androsol isn't a"double" for Sustanon any more than any of the non-Testosterone pharmaceutical steroids are.They're different animals. And Androsol isn't an anabolic steroid. It's a legal prohormone.
Maybe you would've preferredthat I said:
"It feels like I'm on some kind of juice, givingresults like a mild dosage, but it's not identical in feel to any specific kind of juice, being most similar infeel to Dianabol but with much more libido increase and a little more euphoric effect"?
That might have beenmore precise! Kind of wordy, though.
How Does Androsol Work?
It looks likeyou are supposed to just spray on Androsol, and it dries in a couple of minutes. Does that work? How is itcarried through the skin? It can't be that easy.
Vern
Description of transport through the skin can be madevery complicated, if one wants to really get down to the specifics. For example, I have a 35-page articlecurrently submitted to J Pharm Sci on a novel method of modeling transdermal delivery, and anearlier published one of maybe half that length. They're dense reading and I don't really recommend themfor entertainment. If you want to read all the literature out there, it'll take you quite some time, and youmay drop into a boredom-induced coma.
The description can also be made pretty simple. It'swhat's called a diffusion process, rather like adding a drop of ink to the top of a glass of water, andwatching it gradually mix with the water. When you dissolve a compound in the top of the skin, it works itsway through the skin in a similar way. The amount that gets through the skin (the flux) depends onfour things:
1) Solubility of the compound in theskin
The more compound that can dissolve in the skin, themore compound will diffuse through the skin. If you've already decided what compound you want to use,then you can't do much to increase the amount that gets through the skin. It has a certain solubility, and thebest you can do is to saturate the top surface of the skin with the compound.
2) Molecular weight ofthe compound
Diffusion is slowed down somewhat as compounds getlarger. Again, if you've already decided on a compound, you can't do much to increase the amount that getsthrough the skin.
3) Permeability of the skin
The skin can becomemore permeable (easy to get through) by use of permeation enhancers. These typically work bymaking the waxy lipids in your skin more liquid. While it's not difficult to get several times the flux persquare inch with such techniques, those square inches tend to be real pains in the ass. You might have towear a patch and end up with skin irritation. No one can tolerate permeation enhancement over a wide area.The percentage of drug transported versus the amount applied isn't necessarily improved atall. The improvement is in allowing smaller skin areas to be used.
4) Area of theskin
The larger the area of the skin that's saturated withcompound, the more the total flux. If you can apply the compound to 100 times the area, you can get 100times the flux.
My idea was to make a product that was so convenientto use that you could happily apply it to several square feet of skin and achieve very high flux, more fluxthan you could get from any tolerable amount of a penetration-enhancement technology. (Do you really wantto wear a one square foot patch, 24 hours a day, seven days a week?)
So, this is what happens when you apply Androsol: asthe alcohol evaporates, much of the 4-AD transfers into the skin, saturating it. The remainder dries to anextremely light, essentially invisible amorphous film. This film tightly adheres to the skin, and readilyresupplies 4-AD to the top layer of the skin, keeping it saturated as the prohormone diffuses down throughinto the deeper layers.
The result is a sustained, very high total flux for atleast 16 hours. The scientific literature shows sustained flux for 24 hours for a similar method usingtestosterone and ethanol, and from personal use, I can definitely tell that 4-AD is still at high levels after24 hours.
Byallowing a large area of application, the Androsol technology makes it possible to apply up to a gram of4-AD per day while obtaining efficient transdermal delivery. This gives far more flux than what canpractically be achieved with creams, gels, or patches. It really is that easy!
Women andAndrosol?
How much Androsol do you recommend for women?I'm guessing about 1/3 of what men use, so maybe 20 or 25 sprays twice per day? Is it safe forwomen?
Carole
I don't recommend Androsol for use by women.There's so much individual variability that it's impossible to predict how much of any androgen a givenwoman can use without experiencing problems such as facial hair growth or hoarsening of thevoice.
In a maletest subject, we've seen sustained elevations of over 30 times normal levels of T from a single applicationof only 28 sprays of Androsol. So I have to wonder, would even one spray be too much for a woman if usedon a regular basis? It seems possible. It's also possible that as much as seven sprays might be okay, but wehaven't tested this and I wouldn't bet on it.
If you're a woman who's concerned about safety, theonly recommendation that I can give is to not use Androsol.
When and How to ApplyAndrosol
I've ordered three bottles of Androsol and want tomake sure that I use them right when they arrive. Do I have to take a shower before each application? Whatabout if I want to use it before a workout? What time of day should I use Androsol, and how do I apply it?The ad says "thighs, torso, and/or arms." Any one of these, or all of them?
Nick
It's very important that your skin not be the slightestbit wet, damp, or sweaty at the time of application. If it is, the solubility of 4-AD in your skin will bereduced because 4-AD is practically insoluble in water. The results could be mixed or, worse yet,nonexistent.
Afterthe Androsol is applied, though, sweating or getting wet won't matter. Rubbing wet skin with a towel,however, would be likely to remove Androsol. You don't have to shower before each use, as long as the skinis clean and dry.
The time of day you apply it probably isn't thatimportant because the delivery is quite sustained. If using twice a day, the most efficient thing would be forthe applications to be twelve hours apart, but I doubt that it would make much of a difference if you're offby a few hours.
You should apply to the widest area possible using thethinnest coat possible. Personally, I distribute 70 sprays over the calves, thighs, front and sides of torso,and arms.
"Two On, Four Off" Cycle, Why Not EightWeeks?
I know that you were involved with Androsol and havewritten a lot of articles advocating "two weeks on, four weeks off" cycles. But I don't think that Androsolusers should cycle it that way just because you said so! I'd make much better gains going for eight weeksstraight. But before I do that, is there a reason why I shouldn't?
Alex
We recommend "two weeks on,four weeks off" cycles for Androsol because this is a way for people to use the product while minimizingthe effect on natural Testosterone production. Sure, HCG and Clomid would permit longer cycles withouttesticular atrophy, but can we really recommend that our supplement product be used in a way thatcould also necessitate black market drugs? No.
Now, if your number-one goal is to have the mostimprovement possible eight weeks from now, then being on Androsol for eight weeks straight will, ofcourse, give more improvement than you'd get from a plan that had you "off" for four of thoseweeks.
But thisisn't a fair comparison. If you're going to count the "off" weeks of the "two weeks on, fourweeks off" cycle against it, you ought to do the same for eight-week cycles: you're still going to need"off" weeks. Without drugs to boost Testosterone production, you really ought to have abouttwice as many weeks "off" as "on" so that you don't decrease average Testosteroneproduction too much over time.
So let's count the "off" weeks in eithercase. Will you have better results after 24 weeks from eight weeks on and 16 weeks off, or from four "twoweeks on, four weeks off" cycles? With steroid cycles, the short cycles will give the better results. Withprohormones, I'm not sure, but I'd still bet on the short cycles.
And with the eight-week cycle, there's a much moresignificant chance you might have problems recovering your natural production afterward.
I'd suggest using Androsol in asafe way. If you want to take substantial health risks by being "on" the majority of the time orfor long periods of time, chances are you'd prefer to get the extra gains you'd acquire from a seriousanabolic steroid cycle. You would probably want to use either entirely pharmaceutical steroids, or you'dwant to stack Deca or Primobolan with the Androsol. Not that you should do anything illegal!
Accidental Transfer of Androsol toOthers?
How can I be sure that Androsol isn't going to transferto children, or to my girlfriend during sex? It sounds to me as if it could, since it makes a film on yourbody. And isn't the film annoying? Why doesn't it rub off onto your clothing?
David
This film is virtuallyimperceptible after drying and is so well-bonded to the skin that it definitely won't come off with just thetouch of a hand or even from all-day contact with clothing. It isn't bothersome in the slightest bit. Even ifyou go looking for it, it's hard to tell that it's there. Your girlfriend can even lick you, and she won't be ableto tell that you applied Androsol. It's completely discrete.
(If you find that it's perceptible, either by taste orsight, then you applied it too thick! The same number of sprays should've gone over a widerarea.)
To be 100%sure that no transfer to another person occurs, choose a body part that won't come into contact withanother person. For example, if you have a toddler who grabs your legs a lot and whom you hold frequently,restricting use to parts of your torso or legs that are covered by clothing will guarantee safety. Actually, Ithink it's very unlikely that there could be any problem even if you don't follow these precautions, just solong as you allow your skin to become thoroughly dry.
As an experiment, try applying seventy sprays (500mg) of Androsol, wait ten minutes, and then try to rub it off your skin. I guarantee that you won't be able toproduce a small pile of 4-AD shavings, even though the original 500 mg contained in that 70-spray dosagewould be quite a large pile.
And even if you could remove it readily, solid 4-ADwouldn't transfer well to another person's skin. Try taking 4-AD powder from a capsule and rubbing it onyourself. How much would get into the skin? About zero.
Here's another comparison: after ink dries on paper,try rubbing that piece of paper onto another one. Can you transfer even one percent? I really doubtit.
As for transferby sweat, 4-AD is practically insoluble in water, so that mode of transfer is unlikely also. We haven't,however, proven that there's no chance of significant transfer in some sweaty m?nage ? deux (ifthat phrase even makes any sense). If there's any such transfer, the immediate sign of it would bethat your girlfriend will become a total nymphomaniac and will leave you for someone with a biggerdick.
Avoiding Inhibition WithAndrosol?
Instead of using the high doses of Androsol talkedabout on T-mag, I want to try using steady lower doses that will "supplement" my levelswithout causing much inhibition. How much Androsol can I get away with?
Rob
This is something we're studyingright now. I'm guessing that seven sprays per day wouldn't be very inhibitory, since that's only 1/20 ofour maximum dose (140 sprays per day), but this is something that needs to be verified before anyonecontinues on this long-term. We should have results in a couple of weeks.
Here's our reasoning. Since our maximum dose is lesseffective for gains than one gram per week of Testosterone, then 1/20 of our maximum dose shouldbe less inhibitory than 1/20 of of a gram per week of Testosterone, and that amount isn't very inhibitory.However, there's a problem with this logic. Androsol isn't Testosterone, so a direct comparison likethis one may not be valid.
Making an argument in the other direction, recall howonly 28 sprays gave elevations of over 30 times, though this elevation probably consists of both 4-AD andTestosterone, not just Testosterone. That seems to imply that even one spray (7.1 mg) might doublelevels, and that amount could plausibly cause some inhibition. This seems unlikely, but it can't yet be ruledout. So, this is something that we're researching right now. We'll report on the results as soon aspossible.
Nandrosol
When are you comingout with the nor version of Androsol? I always liked norandrodiol better than androdiol, so I think I wouldlike the nor better in the topical, too. I ordered some Androsol, but I'm hoping the nor version will come outsoon.
Ian
Initially, we were reluctant to produce a 19-norversion of Androsol because the cost has to be so much higher, and we wondered whether it could really beworth it to the customer. The very best we can do is to match the price per gram of name-brand capsuleswhile providing a superior delivery system and giving you probably several times theefficiency.
Thething is, norandrodiol is expensive! For example, 12 grams of Substrate Solutions norandrodiol listsfor $240, and the best discount price seems to be $120. An equivalent amount of the Sports Oneproduct lists for $128, and the best discount price seems to be $93.50.
So there's just no way 12 grams worth of Nandrosolcan be anywhere near the "deal" as Androsol. Despite the extremely high materials cost, we'redetermined to keep the list price down to $135 or so, which would work out to roughly $90 per 12 grams ifyou "buy two, get one free." By comparison, Androsol lists for $49.95, which works out to$33.30 per 12 grams if you go for the "buy two, get one free" discount.
Will Nandrosol, at almost three times theprice, give you three times the effect per gram? No, But it should have fewer side effects in the skin andscalp.
Personally, Ilike providing a product that offers both great performance and a great price. Our planned price forNandrosol is excellent in terms of price per gram and even more so in price and performance,compared to every other norandrodiol product on the market, including the sublinguals. But compared toAndrosol, it's pricey.
After thinking about it, though, we all agreed thatwhether this price is or isn't worth the benefits is entirely up to the customer. For some people, the extraprice won't matter; they prefer using a prohormone that will give them an added boost in performance withthe least possible chance of side effects. Others, however, who perhaps want the most anabolic bang fortheir buck, and who aren't as worried about — or prone to — possible side effects, will prefer the Androsol.So, if the test market likes the product, we'll come out with Nandrosol in the next month ortwo.