thanks for your help. I have done a number cycles in my time. I had planned on adding test. ethenate to the cycle. I was just wondering what others thought was the best anti-E! I know what ones are available from my research, not to sound like a dickhead, but I have done a lot of research over the years. Once again I apprecaite your help. And if there is anyone else that has any ideas, please let me know.