Anyone see anything wrong with running low (trt dose) test and high deca?

[Ricky_blobby]

As some of you may know, I'm very prone to hair loss, which means I have to stay away from DHT based steroids as well as steroids that 5-alpha reduce to DHT. I would say fukk it and shave my dome, but I do NOT look right with a shaved head. As a matter of fact I'm flying to Turkey next Tuesday for a 4,000 graft hair transplant.

That being said, about the only drugs I can touch are low dose test, deca, eq, tbol and anavar.

Deca appears to be the safest injectable steroid, but most people running decent amounts, I.E. 400mg+, are on at least 500mg test/wk.

Now I realize why deca must be stacked with test; just one shot of deca completely shuts down your test production for up to a month.

So to the best of my understanding, the only reason test is needed is to restore test levels so fatigue, depression, loss of libido etc. do not manifest.

If this is correct then it makes sense to me that I could keep my test levels at the high range of normal, around 1000 ng/dl (Test E 150-200mg/week), keep hair loss at a minimum with nizoral/minoxidil/ RU58841, and still be able to benefit from using higher doses of deca/ NPP (400mg/wk).

Basically trying to plan as productive a cycle as I can without going chrome dome. Know what I'm sayin?

 

[Lavey]

I feel test levels should remain high - afterall Test is the master hormone. I know many others run low test but it doesnt fly w/ me...

 

[Ricky_blobby]

So in your opinion the extreme high end of the normal range isn't high enough?

Does Nandrolone offset the benefits of test somehow?

I mean, a tbol only cycle will give you 10-15lb LBM in 6 weeks... Yeah you will lose a lot afterwards since your test levels are shot, But with a test base, even a high end TRT dose should allow you to keep most, right?

Is nandrolone any different?

Edit: I'm not wanting to do a full on bulk right. If I can drop 2-3% BF on cycle and add 10-15lb LMB I would be satisfied.

 

[Phoenixk2]

I'd do it with no problems at all..

 

[squatster]

High deca low test - many many people will get deca dick and it sucks- get it in to you very favorite hole of all- start to get busy and no more wood

 

[Ricky_blobby]

I thought deca dick was due to deca only cycles? I though the wood problem was because of low testosterone?

Not at all trying to argue just curious to learn

 

[Ricky_blobby]

I'd do it with no problems at all..

Sorry, do you mean you HAVE done it or you wouldn't be opposed to doing it

 

[Sandpig]

I like low test high anabolics myself.
Although when it comes to Nandrolone, I like NPP better

 

[Phoenixk2]

Sorry, do you mean you HAVE done it or you wouldn't be opposed to doing it

I have, I should have been clearer. I've done 125mgs of test a week with 800mgs deca a week and I've done the same amount of test with 1400mgs of tren a week. No issues at all..

 

[Ricky_blobby]

Sweet!

 

[pieguy]

As long as I keep a good dose of test in 250-500mg/week, 19-nors even together do not cause me any ED. Usually people who do suffer ED on any type of 19-nor are prolactin sensitive and just need some cabergoline twice weekly.

 

[Ricky_blobby]

I have, I should have been clearer. I've done 125mgs of test a week with 800mgs deca a week and I've done the same amount of test with 1400mgs of tren a week. No issues at all..

What were your gains like on the test/ deca? Bloat?

 

[Phoenixk2]

What were your gains like on the test/ deca? Bloat?

Very nice gains. And yes with deca there is bloat but that doesn't bother me cause I know it goes away when cycle is over.

 

[rangerjockey]

I have read some interesting articles/theories on low dose test as a base with much higher doses of other compounds, such as Tren etc. Do a search for these articles your not the only one sensative to DHT. Sorry I dont have a link to give to you. Yes, NPP is better it clears out ALOT faster if you do suffer from Deca Dick. ITs not fun been there done that.....once!

 

[xchewbaccax777]

As some of you may know, I'm very prone to hair loss, which means I have to stay away from DHT based steroids as well as steroids that 5-alpha reduce to DHT. I would say fukk it and shave my dome, but I do NOT look right with a shaved head. As a matter of fact I'm flying to Turkey next Tuesday for a 4,000 graft hair transplant.

That being said, about the only drugs I can touch are low dose test, deca, eq, tbol and anavar.

Deca appears to be the safest injectable steroid, but most people running decent amounts, I.E. 400mg+, are on at least 500mg test/wk.

Now I realize why deca must be stacked with test; just one shot of deca completely shuts down your test production for up to a month.

So to the best of my understanding, the only reason test is needed is to restore test levels so fatigue, depression, loss of libido etc. do not manifest.

If this is correct then it makes sense to me that I could keep my test levels at the high range of normal, around 1000 ng/dl (Test E 150-200mg/week), keep hair loss at a minimum with nizoral/minoxidil/ RU58841, and still be able to benefit from using higher doses of deca/ NPP (400mg/wk).

Basically trying to plan as productive a cycle as I can without going chrome dome. Know what I'm sayin?

Limp dick......be careful. Good deca-bad woodys

 

[xchewbaccax777]

I thought deca dick was due to deca only cycles? I though the wood problem was because of low testosterone?

Not at all trying to argue just curious to learn

Ran 600 T and 600 deca for 18 weeks had limp dick like a mofo, the cool thing about that cuz I felt like I never got injured on that stuff and then there was plenty of extra padding in my joints along with incredible strength gains right around week 12 personally as long as you have a stash of Viagra you're good to go

 

[Phoe2006]

Ran 600 T and 600 deca for 18 weeks had limp dick like a mofo, the cool thing about that cuz I felt like I never got injured on that stuff and then there was plenty of extra padding in my joints along with incredible strength gains right around week 12 personally as long as you have a stash of Viagra you're good to go

Prolactin/ estrogen issues maybe? You should've ran something for it

 

[xchewbaccax777]

Prolactin/ estrogen issues maybe? You should've ran something for it

Such as??

 

[Phoenixk2]

Such as??

pramipexole, for prolactin.

 

[Phoe2006]

Such as??

U get blood work right???? If its prolactin caber, prami, or bromo.

pramipexole, for prolactin.

Prami gives me horrible headaches that's why I tell everyone to order prami and caber because one usually works better than the other for most people. I'm becoming a fan of bromo though too